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Old 04-11-2008, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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REPLY: No Sir...youve been misled by fine sounding arguments . The Father of Jesus is one of 3 distinct persons of the Triune Godhead
If we are to be one with Christ as He is with God, ie...us being one with God, then how do you count only three?
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Islam does not believe in the Trinity. , and it doesnt believe Jesus is the Son of God and in fact they get very irrate about this .
Never said Islam believes in the Trinity, it is a man made concept. And we can all be Sons of God...even receive a fullness of Christ.
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Further, Jesus didnt 'become one with the Father' ...
Apparently He did.
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he IS the same essence AS the Father ,he came FROM the father, and as the Bible points out many times
So are we, and so did we. If you believe as Jesus believed, then the things He did, we shall do and More...
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Jesus created all things, holds all things in his sustaining power, will be mankinds final judge , is the only Saviour of Mankind , and no one will ever get to the Father/heaven except thru HIM alone (exclusive) .
Do you know who He is, do you know what His name means, in that no one can be saved except through taking on His name?
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Islam does not believe in any of these .
Never said they did, I said they have the same God as we do.
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Further, they believe that personal good works is how one reaches heaven or paradise.
So did Jesus, He said if you do as I say, then i am bound, if you do not as I say, then there is NO promise. Who is He that loves me, He that keepeth my commandments.
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Lastly, there is only one true God and that can be proven to be the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, so, all other 'gods' are non existant and Muslims are worshipping a Diety that doesnt even exist because they are not worshipping the Christian Triune God (God in 3 persons...blessed Trinity).
According to you...
One can pray to the Father and be ignorant of the Son. The Jews do it everyday.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 04-13-2008, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Egypt
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Isn't it true that girls do not have the right to accept, refuse or choose husbands for themselves? As I understand it their male relatives choose for them.
The Girl has the full right to accept or refuse, This is the main rule.

The point with different opinions is the father (or if he is dead the second relative) authority to refuse a person proposing to his virgin daughter (not before married). So one opinion says that she has to take her father's permission, the other says that it's only a strong recommendation.

In Egypt legally we take the second opinion regarding this issue.
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Old 04-13-2008, 04:25 AM
 
Location: Egypt
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Before we get all ecumenical in relation to this Abrahamism, lets ask our Muslim friend to give an honest account of Islamic future prophecy. In particular, can you please highlight what is going to happen to Christians and Jews? Please don't hide anything.
I haven't fully searched this matter, it needs a full search cause many fakes have been entered to it.

The holy Quran does not specify a specific future prophecy regarding this issue, as for traditions as i said it needs full research.

The future is for God to decide, I myself hope the best for all mankind of course.
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Old 04-13-2008, 05:49 PM
 
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islam muslim muslims islamic death
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Old 04-13-2008, 06:47 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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I haven't fully searched this matter, it needs a full search cause many fakes have been entered to it.

The holy Quran does not specify a specific future prophecy regarding this issue, as for traditions as i said it needs full research.

The future is for God to decide, I myself hope the best for all mankind of course.
I find islam pretty fascinating, it's great to see how regardless of small diferences in every religion, the attributes of God in his trascendental unmanifested aspect are the same.

Dear God, you are the supreme essence that nourishes and animates all beings.

The destroyer of pain and suffering, and the one who brings supreme hapiness.

Bless us with your divine light who destroys all sins.

Guide or consciousness in the right direction and may your divine love awake in the hearts of all your childrens as it awoke in Jesus, Krishna, Muhammad, Buddha and all your Avatars.

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Old 05-22-2008, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Egypt
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Thanks for the discussing members.

I should make clear the work Allah "God" in Islam means (Wahed) The One, (Ahad) The only one, not composing of parts, a single entity not resembling any thing, cause He is the creator of every thing, and every creature.

Any other thing than God "Allah" is a slave creature to Him. He has no son nor wife nor daughter, nothing is compared to Him.

All prophets (including moses "pbuh", jesus "pbuh", and mohamed "pbuh") are human beings, mere creatures slaves to Him, as all other human beings are.

All angels including gebreal (the spirit) are also mere creatures created by God "Allah", slaves to God "Allah". Aslo all the "jin" are mere creatures created by and slaves to God "Allah".

Holy Qur'an
Chapter "surah" 112: IKHLAS (from its meanings: Loyalty)
1 - Say: He is God, the One and Only (Ahad);
2 - God, the Eternal, Absolute;
3 - He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none comparable unto Him.


So all religions look for God, the definition varies according to the religion. We moslims are proud that Islam frees God from any pagan definitions or pagan idols.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:14 AM
 
Location: egypt
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REPLY: It might appear as such, but, Muslims and Christians do not worship the same almighty God . The God of Islam according to Muslim teaching is : Unknowable, non personal, distant, remote, believes you earn Gods favor by doing good works, the Koran is the word of God, and God is singular in essence. The God of Christianity according to the Bible is : Very knowable, very personal, entered time and history to atone for our sins in the person of Jesus Christ because no amount of meritorious good works can find favor with God, strongly desires a dynanic personal relationship with mankind,
for this comparison which i agree with
can you tell me what is the God according to abraham(pbuh) and according to mosas (pbuh)? , because it seems to me that we are common to accept them as prophets and rightous men and good worshippers for the same God
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Old 04-28-2012, 11:16 PM
 
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What if the same god created all religion ,but he made them different so that people can choose their own religion ?
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