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Old 04-10-2008, 09:22 AM
 
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In essence, the meaning equals to the english word (God) the one the only one, who nothing is compared to Him, who is worshipped, who created every thing and every creature, who created the whole universe, who can't be seen by our weak eyes, but His presence can be felt in every thing he created by his mercy, the sky, sea, trees, animals, humans, even the laughter of an innocent child.

This name also clarifies God as the creator, merciful, giving his mercy to all his creation and also who is worshipped.

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We begin by the language analysis by a simple example:

The word (table) in english = the word (mendada) in arabic.
So what about when we say (the table)
When we say the table, we say (Almendada)

(Al) in arabic = (The) in english (Any one in the arab world can tell you this simple fact),

In arabic (Al) is sticky to the word not separate from it.

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Now we go to the word God

The word (a god) = (ilaah) in arabic.
So the word (The God) = (Alilaah).

Actually no arabian uses the word Alilaah, why? cause very simply to remove the (i) is better and easier in pronunciation.
So even before islam the word (The God) = Allah in the arabian nation.

In english also they found that they don't need (The) and it's easier to say it (God) plainly.
As a result, the very simple language fact is clear:

The word God in english = the word Allah in arabic.

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Now we get to something that the arab nation felt about this word God ''Allah''.

When we talk about the psychological effect of a word it depends mainly on the meaning of the word towards the people of this nation.

So as exactly as the word (God) alone in the english language gave the feeling of God the one the only one, and any other religion not believing this will add to the word or don't mention it plainly like this. While normal people may use it when they're in trouble and need help.

This exactly happened to the arabian nation, when the deviated from the religion of Ibraham (Ibraheem) (peace be upon him) and started worshiping statues and idols, they stooped using the word Allah plainly most of the time, cause it have the only feeling of God the one the only one.

When Islam came with the clear rule of worshiping only God the one the only one, the word Allah (God) plainly regained its rate of repetition among the normal talking.

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Also there is an additional characteristic of the word Allah, this characteristic comes from the way of pronunciation of the arabic letters, this arabian pronunciation of the word gave a very good physical and psychological feeling, it added another value to the word, the feeling of physical relief by the exhale of air during the pronunciation, and with it the feeling of psychological relief and peace. This combined added to the word the great effect and feeling of God the one the only one.

(Allah) the name if pronounced properly gives to the human soul no other meaning than God the one the only one, it gives beautiful relief to the heart, and feeling of peace.

If you want you can try it to know and feel what i mean, it's better of course to hear it first, but as a try you may pronounce the first (A) not very light, it's more like the british (a), then pronouncing every (l) properly, by a slight stop at the first (l), but not a full stop, then pronounce the middle (a) long with the normal exhale with peace and relief, this is only a try, it's better of course to hear it.

That's why there are two categories of translators of the holy Quraan, and both are respected, one who use the english translation of the word ''God', and one who prefers to use the arabic word literally ''Allah'', cause moslims who have read or heard the holy Quraan in arabic even if they don't know the language love this word for its good effect on human feeling.

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Old 04-10-2008, 10:16 AM
 
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(Allah) the name if pronounced properly gives to the human soul no other meaning than God the one the only one, it gives beautiful relief to the heart, and feeling of peace.

If you want you can try it to know and feel what i mean, it's better of course to hear it first, but as a try you may pronounce the first (A) not very light, it's more like the british (a), then pronouncing every (l) properly, by a slight stop at the first (l), but not a full stop, then pronounce the middle (a) long with the normal exhale with peace and relief, this is only a try, it's better of course to hear it.
What a lovely and thoughtful post. I hope it receives equally thoughtful and respectful replies
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Old 04-10-2008, 10:34 AM
 
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thank you for taking the time to explain....why did you feel you had to?? < curious
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Old 04-10-2008, 11:00 AM
 
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Thank you for your original post, but :

1. How do u as a Muslim reconcile the fact that the Creator in which you worship is an impersonal, unknowable, distant God (according to Islam teaching) yet you worship him on 'a personal' basis ?

2. If Mohammed is the greatest of all religious Prophets, and morality is important to a Muslim, how do u reconcile Mohammed being married to a 12 year old girl /having more wives than he allowed others to have/murdered and pillaged Travellers on numerous occasions, etc ??

3. How do you reconcile the Koran saying it was actually Judas Escariot who died on the cross and not Jesus...when Jesus' closest followers of 3 years were eye witnesses to his crucifixion , burial, and ressurection (in addition to over 500 other eye witnesses) ?

4. How do u reconcile God being holy and absolutely moral , yet providing virgins in heaven for the faithful Muslim Man in an envirnoment of endless sex (fornication) for eternity ?

Thank you for your time in answering these perplexing questions ive always had . Regards.
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Old 04-10-2008, 11:05 AM
 
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And if i may ask one final question --- 5. Why is Mohammed considered 'the greatest of all Prophets' when Jesus fulfilled over 400 very narrow defined predictions about himself made hundreds of years in advance of his arrival, yet Mohammeds only 'fulfilled prophecy' was a self fulfilled prophecy of him returning from a trip to Mecca ?

Thank you kindly .
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Old 04-10-2008, 11:38 AM
 
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THanks for sharing the meaning of "Allah".
Christian - Jew - Muslim appear to worship the same God almighty.

If we focused on this simple truth, there would be oneness.

The rest is between the seeker and the sought.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 04-10-2008, 11:41 AM
 
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THanks for sharing the meaning of "Allah".
Christian - Jew - Muslim appear to worship the same God almighty.

If we focused on this simple truth, there would be oneness.

The rest is between the seeker and the sought.

godspeed,

freedom
That's what people mean when they say the "Abrahamic God". They're referring to the one of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
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Old 04-10-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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That's what people mean when they say the "Abrahamic God". They're referring to the one of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
imho this is also the ishvara or parabrahman of Hindus.

Parabrahman: Spiritual - Theosophy Dictionary on Parabrahman


Parabrahman (Sanskrit) [from para beyond + Brahman (neuter) universal self or spirit]

That which is beyond Brahman; the self-enduring, eternal, self-sufficient cause of all, the one essence of everything in the cosmos. It is before all things in the cosmos, and is the one sole limitless life-consciousness-substance from which starts into existence a center of force which may be called the Logos. In the Vedic cycle of writing it is referred to as tat (that) as opposed to the world of manifestation called idam (this).

Ishvara (Sanskrit Īśvara ईश्वर "lord, master", from an adjective īśvara "capable") is a philosophical concept in Hinduism, meaning controller or the Supreme controller[1] (i.e. 'God') in a monotheistic sense or as an Ishta-deva of monistic thought. Ishvara is also used to denote a "lord" in a temporal sense, as any master or king (a dual usage also found in English).
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Old 04-10-2008, 12:55 PM
 
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THanks for sharing the meaning of "Allah".
Christian - Jew - Muslim appear to worship the same God almighty.

If we focused on this simple truth, there would be oneness.

The rest is between the seeker and the sought.

godspeed,

freedom
REPLY: It might appear as such, but, Muslims and Christians do not worship the same almighty God . The God of Islam according to Muslim teaching is : Unknowable, non personal, distant, remote, believes you earn Gods favor by doing good works, the Koran is the word of God, and God is singular in essence. The God of Christianity according to the Bible is : Very knowable, very personal, entered time and history to atone for our sins in the person of Jesus Christ because no amount of meritorious good works can find favor with God, strongly desires a dynanic personal relationship with mankind, The BIble is the word of God, and God is triune in essence. Further... Islam denys Christ is God, denys God is 3 persons making up the Godhead, denys the ressurection of Christ, denys the Bible is the infallable word of God, denys the Christian belief in heaven and eternity...thereby implying Jesus Christ was a complete Liar and Fraud.

While it might seem plausible to assert ecumanism attempts between Islam and The Christian Faith, it is disengenuous to do so because they are vastly different and they cannot be both correct. Regards.
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Old 04-10-2008, 12:59 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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REPLY: It might appear as such, but, Muslims and Christians do not worship the same almighty God . The God of Islam according to Muslim teaching is : Unknowable, non personal, distant, remote, believes you earn Gods favor by doing good works, the Koran is the word of God, and God is singular in essence. The God of Christianity according to the Bible is : Very knowable, very personal, entered time and history to atone for our sins in the person of Jesus Christ because no amount of meritorious good works can find favor with God, strongly desires a dynanic personal relationship with mankind, The BIble is the word of God, and God is triune in essence. Further... Islam denys Christ is God, denys God is 3 persons making up the Godhead, denys the ressurection of Christ, denys the Bible is the infallable word of God, denys the Christian belief in heaven and eternity...thereby implying Jesus Christ was a complete Liar and Fraud.

While it might seem plausible to assert ecumanism attempts between Islam and The Christian Faith, it is disengenuous to do so because they are vastly different and they cannot be both correct. Regards.
God being almighty can be both personal and unpersonal

Lord Shiva is both personal and impersonal. In the personal aspect, Shiva creates, controls and pervades all that exists. In this aspect, Shiva is what other religions call God. Shaivism declares that there is nothing outside Shiva and, thus, recognizes the oneness of Pati-pau-pasa (God- Soul -World). In the impersonal aspect, Shiva transcends all existence and in the liberated state the Soul is one with Shiva.

imho the quran doesn't deny Christ, it just states that he is an apostle of God or Avatar.

[4:171] O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ Jesus, son of Mary, was but God's Apostle - His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles

Avatar
(also spelled as avatara) (Sanskrit: अवतार, avatāra), most commonly refers to the incarnation (bodily manifestation) of a divine being (deva), or the Supreme Being (God) onto planet Earth. The Sanskrit word avatāra- literally means "descent" (avatarati) and usually implies a deliberate descent into lower realms of existence for special purposes.

Also, God can be a single entity or a triple entity as the Father (Tat) the Son (Sat) and the Holy ghost (Om)

Avatars are human manifestations (incarnations) of the Sat or Christ consciousness.

Christ and Krishna are titles having the same spiritual connotation: Jesus the Christ and Yadava the Krishna (Yadava, a family name for Krishna, signifies his descent from Yadu, forerunner of the Vrishni dynasty). These titles identify the state of consciousness manifested by these two illumined beings, their incarnate oneness with the consciousness of God omnipresent in creation. The universal Christ consciousness or Kutashtha Chaitanya, Universal Krishna Consciousness is "the only begotten son" of the sole undistorted reflection of God permeating every atom and point of space in the manifested cosmos. The full measure of God's consciousness is manifested in those who have full realization of the Christ or Krishna Consciousness. As their consciousness is universal, their light is shed on all the world.

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