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Old 05-06-2008, 10:15 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Nikk Is this your own thought or are you just quoting the Bible again?
I know several muslims. Some from Iran. One was a friend of the Shaw of Iran. Another Lady I know her father was one of the top 25 teachers of the Quaran in Iran. I just talked with her on Sunday.

They all told me about Islam.
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:19 AM
 
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where did you get your informations


is any muslim told you that these crimes are the teaches of islam !!
I know several muslims. They have told me what they have witnessed. There is no peace in Islam. If anyone tells you different they are lying or have no knowledge of Muslims and the Quaran.
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:32 AM
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that's right , so what do you mean by 'practising allaho akpar' ?
I meant practicing saying the phrase. Sorry for the confusion.

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you are wellcome if you wanna to discuss any point about islam .
thank you for your kindness
Your welcome.

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it's not about the translation , you copied the right translation also , i just mean that you must read the entire verse to know the situation , and you mut know reasons of revealed these verse , isn't it right
Absolutely. But the text I read originally had God telling his followers to do all those acts of violence. If that is so then context is not as important since I would take verses like that at face value.
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:48 AM
 
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I know several muslims. They have told me what they have witnessed. There is no peace in Islam. If anyone tells you different they are lying or have no knowledge of Muslims and the Quaran.
so search about more witnesses , the internet is full with muslims forums and muslims sites , you can find more witnesses there , and they will greeting you if you wanna to ask whatever you want about islam .

by the way , 85% of muslims are sunni , iran is full with shiea (another sect )

peace
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:55 AM
 
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I meant practicing saying the phrase. Sorry for the confusion.
never mind

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Absolutely. But the text I read originally had God telling his followers to do all those acts of violence. If that is so then context is not as important since I would take verses like that at face value.
God encourage muslims to be violence where they fight in the battlefield , so what is your openion? , what is supposed for God to command the believers when they be attacked ?

can you share me with your thoughts please !
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:39 PM
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never mind



God encourage muslims to be violence where they fight in the battlefield , so what is your openion? , what is supposed for God to command the believers when they be attacked ?

can you share me with your thoughts please !
The problem is because there is no central authority in the Islamic faith, the verses can be interpreted differently and many times are. Thus, you have a group of people who think that the Americans are the active enemies of Islam and therefore we are at war. Then you can see how some Muslims then take theses verses and start applying them.

I can promise you that we, as a country, could be not be more glad to leave Iraq if we could and certainly do not consider ourselves at war with Islam. If we thought the country was able to sustain itself, then we would be out of there in a heartbeat. However, the Sunni/Shiite battles continue. Iraq is much like Yugoslavia as it too was multiple countries glued together artificially by a dictatorship. The fighting must end for the sides to come together. I think that will happen over time after a few generations have come and gone. We in America are eternal optimists and always hopeful.
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:29 PM
 
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The problem is because there is no central authority in the Islamic faith, the verses can be interpreted differently and many times are.
Right.
How do you explain the many different Christian denominations?
Because of a strong Christian central authority?

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We in America are eternal optimists and always hopeful.
It shows, it took the Afro Americans a few centuries to convince the white (Christian) American majority that everyone is equal.
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Old 05-06-2008, 11:37 PM
 
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The problem is because there is no central authority in the Islamic faith, the verses can be interpreted differently and many times are. Thus, you have a group of people who think that the Americans are the active enemies of Islam and therefore we are at war. Then you can see how some Muslims then take theses verses and start applying them.
what authority in the islamic faith you ask about , i already respond to your claims from the quran itself and from the same chapter .
thank God , our quran discuss itself

how many groups of people made terrorism actions against americans ? you can count them by your fingers ! , they are minority of muslims , and guess what ?! they have reasons , they didn't kill them because they are christians ,
there are many other political reasons
i didn't mean to excuses theire acts , i just try to analyze and explain reasons of thier actions although it's wrong in islam
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I can promise you that we, as a country, could be not be more glad to leave Iraq if we could and certainly do not consider ourselves at war with Islam. If we thought the country was able to sustain itself, then we would be out of there in a heartbeat. However, the Sunni/Shiite battles continue. Iraq is much like Yugoslavia as it too was multiple countries glued together artificially by a dictatorship. The fighting must end for the sides to come together. I think that will happen over time after a few generations have come and gone. We in America are eternal optimists and always hopeful.
if these are your purposes ? so where is your reactions against war crimes in israil , iraq , afghanestan
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:08 AM
 
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How do you explain the many different Christian denominations? Because of a strong Christian central authority?
Each Christian denomination DOES HAVE a central authority for their religion / religious beliefs.
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:10 AM
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what authority in the islamic faith you ask about , i already respond to your claims from the quran itself and from the same chapter .
thank God , our quran discuss itself

how many groups of people made terrorism actions against americans ? you can count them by your fingers ! , they are minority of muslims , and guess what ?! they have reasons , they didn't kill them because they are christians ,
there are many other political reasons
i didn't mean to excuses theire acts , i just try to analyze and explain reasons of thier actions although it's wrong in islam


if these are your purposes ? so where is your reactions against war crimes in israil , iraq , afghanestan
The only reason there haven't been more American deaths in the other parts of the Middle East is that they're physically far apart. When 3000 Americans died on 9/11, I saw countless video of Middle Easterners, mostly Palestinians, dancing in the street celebrating. I am going to have to assume they agree with the terrorists and therefore are on their side.

My purpose is to expose the vulnerability of the Quran to twisted interpretation and clearly that is being done. And I am not buying this handful of people thing. With many groups of Muslims in Europe in the streets calling Death to Israel, Death to Great Britain, and Death to America, the Talaban in Afghanistan, Al Qaeda every where, it's a few more than a handful.

Israel is at war. Palestinians who are fighting Israel continue to hold up in civilian areas. Israel is not as careful as the Americans about shooting into civilian area's. But then again, the Americans are not having bombs dropped into their cities everyday. Both sides are guilty of the bombing. Both sides need use some restraint. Unfortunately, Hamas is totally dedicated to the destruction of Israel at the expense of it's people. In addition they are funded by Iran who also funds Hezbollah. With Iran's oil money there is no limit on stupidity or money thus the endless war.

You mention their are many political reasons on the attacks on America? What are they?

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