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Old 05-29-2008, 09:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by camping! LoL, as if I've never set foot outside Europe.
I just have no interest in America.

As I understand it your American poor are just as poor as say South African poor, except South Africa doesn't have the resourceces to tend to all their poor, while America can but for some reason chooses not to.
You have no interest in America? All of your posts about the US belies that
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Western Cary, NC
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Originally Posted by camping! LoL, as if I've never set foot outside Europe.
I just have no interest in America.

As I understand it your American poor are just as poor as say South African poor, except South Africa doesn't have the resourceces to tend to all their poor, while America can but for some reason chooses not to.

Tricky,
This seems way off topic, and I think would need a new thread, but I think the issue on poverty world wide would be a good topic for you to start before our moderators shut this down due to off topic subject material.
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Here's what American Christians do:

FoxNews:
The overwhelming bulk of the burden in feeding the world’s starving poor remains with the United States and a small group of other predominately Western nations, a situation that the WFP has done little so far to change, even as it has asked for another $775 million in donations to ease the crisis.

Here's the whole article:
FOXNews.com - A Gulf in Giving: Oil-Rich States Starve the World Food Program - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

And God Bless the african republic of Burkina Faso and the country of Bangladesh!

Can everyone please stop quoting fox news!! It's not a reliable news source, it's a joke.
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:52 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by camping!
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You have no interest in America?
I like American (superhero) comics and Hollywood movies, but I have no desire at all to live in America or to become an American.

Originally Posted by cncracer
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Tricky,
This seems way off topic, and I think would need a new thread, but I think the issue on poverty world wide would be a good topic for you to start before our moderators shut this down due to off topic subject material.
Why?
The Islam is all about taking care of the poor, but unlike the West they generally aren't capitalists and / or democratic.
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Old 06-01-2008, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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No you did not, you just admitted that you put your family, who just happen to be Christian, first.
I hear ya, but I am putting my family first because they are mine, not because they are Christian, big difference.

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So you are saying that a stepfather, older sibling, or another legal guardian cannot have any experience in raising children unless the children are actually his?
I can only speak about what I know. I am not a stepfather or a legal guardian of someone else's kids, and I am sure they can have a tight bond with the kids, but when I see my kids, that I made, and have raised since the first second they have been on Earth, to me it is indescribable. I am not saying that a step-parent or legal guardian cannot have the same type of bond, but I am not in that situation so I really don't know.

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So older siblings who practically raised their younger siblings on their own, because their parents are junkies or drunks, have no experience at all in raising children?
"Practically" raising kids and actually raising them are two completely different things. An older sibling that "practically" raises other siblings do not have the full responsibilities as a parent. While I do find it admirable, it just isn't the same. Also I should say that step-parents and legal guardians do not get the credit that they deserve. Raising children as their own is an absolute great thing for the kids.

Sorry it took so long to reply, went on vacation.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:45 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I hear ya, but I am putting my family first because they are mine, not because they are Christian, big difference.
And Jesus would not act this way, simply because he sees everyone as his family.
You think Jesus is a racist because he refuses to discriminate?

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I can only speak about what I know.
Then you should stop making claims about things you don't know. Whether a child is actually 'yours' or not shouldn't make any difference.
Did not Jesus say: Let the children come to me?
He did not restricted it to let the Jewish children come to me, or the Christian.

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"Practically" raising kids and actually raising them are two completely different things.
Are you saying that you have raised your kids on your own?
Didn't your wife and family help?
How about your neighbours?

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An older sibling that "practically" raises other siblings do not have the full responsibilities as a parent.
So you are saying that an older sibling would not feel responsible for his younger siblings?
Either you never had any younger siblings or you just don’t care about family?

Last edited by Tricky D; 06-02-2008 at 03:14 AM.. Reason: typo
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Old 06-02-2008, 06:37 AM
 
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Default If Islam is the best religion , why are many of the muslims criminals?

many muslims are criminals because many of them violate the laws- and they were caught and found guilty of doing the same. this is a fact- a well recognized and accepted fact. but this fact should not erase equally recognized and accepted facts that:

1 - there are more muslims who are not criminals; and,
2 - there are also more non-muslims who are criminals.

i put forward that scenario because i want to emphasize that religion and its followers are two different issues. if you want to know whether or not a religion is good, then don't use the people as its standards. rather, read and learn its teachings from those people who have the authority and then render your judgment.

first, make your criteria- and make sure that they are fair, before you make your judgment and venture into the task of asking and researching. second, be open-minded and be unbiased in everything that you see, hear, or read. lastly, pray. understanding is always regarded as a gift from God and even the most erudite amongthe scholars are many a times deprived of it.

good luck.
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Old 06-02-2008, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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And Jesus would not act this way, simply because he sees everyone as his family.
You think Jesus is a racist because he refuses to discriminate?
How can someone be a racist by "refusing" to discriminate? I do see everyone as family, and I try to help out as many people as I can, but I do favor my own family. As I said, I am not Jesus, I am not perfect. I strive to be but I am not.

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Then you should stop making claims about things you don't know. Whether a child is actually 'yours' or not shouldn't make any difference.
Did not Jesus say: Let the children come to me?
He did not restricted it to let the Jewish children come to me, or the Christian.
If you would have read what I wrote, you would see that I specifically said that I only comment on things that I know, and I admitted to not being in that situation.


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Are you saying that you have raised your kids on your own?
Didn't your wife and family help?
How about your neighbours?
My wife and I have raised our kids with little to no help from family and friends. Not saying it is bad, half by choice, half by distance.


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So you are saying that an older sibling would not feel responsible for his younger siblings?
Either you never had any younger siblings or you just don’t care about family?
They can and do feel responsible but not on the same level as a parent, IMO. I am huge into family. I do have younger and a older sibling and love them very much. But it's just something different, so much deeper with my own kids. Can't explain it.
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Old 06-02-2008, 11:19 PM
 
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Religion (Socialism, Islam, Christianity...etc) doesn't kill, people do, guns don't kill, people do.

We kill 50 billion animals a year, not because we are Atheist, Christian, Buddhist or Muslim.
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Old 06-02-2008, 11:40 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I do see everyone as family, and I try to help out as many people as I can, but I do favor my own family.
If you see everyone as family you could not play favourites. You cannot say this person is more family than that person, because family simply is family.
If you still can pick favourites within your family, you then are not picking them on the basis of family but on the basis of who you like.
Or let me put it this way: If favouring your family is Christian, Jesus certainly isn't a Christian.

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If you would have read what I wrote, you would see that I specifically said that I only comment on things that I know, and I admitted to not being in that situation.
The general impression I get from your post is that you do not truly know what you do not know.
Because if you did, it would not be so easy for me to come with counter arguments.

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My wife and I have raised our kids with little to no help from family and friends. Not saying it is bad, half by choice, half by distance.
So even you haven't practically raised your kids on your own.
Do your kids go to school? If so, they are also raised by the school.
Do they go to a sports club, if so they are also raised by people who are members of the club.
In short: only when you are the only adult and you and your kid live in total isolation from the rest of society do you raise your child on your own.

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But it's just something different, so much deeper with my own kids. Can't explain it.
Then it is only your personal opinion.
There have been kids who have raised their siblings, simply because their parents felt not responsible for them.
These parents were only parents in name.
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