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Old 07-22-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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Everyone of my friends who converted to Islam did so because they married muslim men. They changed their whole life, dress and outlooks. They no longer look like american women they look like women who grew up in a muslim country.


Without a doubt they are applying the teachings of God for them There are still some Jews and Christians who follow the teachings of their religion ,Even you find that they wear the veil


The country I live in has true freedom for women. To drive, vote, work, go into public dressed as they like and not to have to have a male relative go with them. We do not have the moral police to harass women who are not dressed Islamically.


I know that, In some Islamic countries you will find that women So, she can drive, vote, work all what you said , Only difference to be she Decent to wear


My country has freedom of religion so anyone can practice any religion they want and not be afraid. Muslims are given much more freedom then Muslim countries give to Christians.

I think if you visited my country you would be surprised at how much misinformation you have.

as I also imagine that your concept about Muslim women are
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Old 07-22-2010, 06:00 PM
 
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I totally know. This means that your religion is not suitable?, Does not believe in your book and the law of God! as he wants ...


God has commanded you that you abide Torah, Do religions become have an error but allah our lord had put them if said that an atheist may accept but you of the people of the Book how?


you said I can only think of Muslim countries that use sharia, have human rights violations and still stone, behead and treat women, and non muslims as 2nd class citizens


Thirty Islamic state, Islamic law is applying, Islamic law Living under Islam Why did not stoning? the answer as I mentioned to rifelman I mean that if Islam is barbaric then Judaism, Christianity Berbers also ,This means that we attribute it to God (Almighty)



behead= Nothing to do with Islam


treat women= Islam gave women their rights usurped before Islam


I am a Muslim girl who grew up in Islam I found the best treatment Praise be to Allah ..


as well as Islam is not a penalty but is the life
You have a very limited understanding of the world outside of Islam. I have my religion that I practice but I also live in a democratic nation where we have a constitution and it allows us basic freedoms.

I am glad to have a constitution that separates government from religion. All people are guaranteed freedoms whether they are religious or not.
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Old 07-22-2010, 06:04 PM
 
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it is good that Muslim women and Christian, Jewish and wearing a bikini And their books say the opposite


Do you know that the dress semi-naked is causes of rape of a woman,! that Texts of the Koran and Torah and the Bible calls the veil I wonder! Why reject the application of religion teachings !
NO! Men who have no self control are responsible for rape. Men are responsible for their own behavior. it is not the woman's job to dress so a man can have self control......
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Old 07-22-2010, 06:32 PM
 
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NO! Men who have no self control are responsible for rape. Men are responsible for their own behavior. it is not the woman's job to dress so a man can have self control......

Jazzymom, I agree with you, the man responsible for his behavior there is no excuse,


Do you deny that dress naked can inspire the lust the men? Is God wrong when he said the veil ..


Essentially, veil is obedience to God and the protection of women together

I always repeat in my life, that climbed the top is not easy Has difficulties, Obligation , Sacrifice so Paradise


Life is short, Why I do not obey God ?
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Old 07-23-2010, 06:42 AM
 
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Jazzymom, I agree with you, the man responsible for his behavior there is no excuse,


Do you deny that dress naked can inspire the lust the men? Is God wrong when he said the veil ..


Essentially, veil is obedience to God and the protection of women together

I always repeat in my life, that climbed the top is not easy Has difficulties, Obligation , Sacrifice so Paradise


Life is short, Why I do not obey God ?

You agree with me that men are responsible for their behavior and there is no excuse. Then you go on to say that dress causes the lust in men.

Men need to control their instincts, and lusts. Women should not be covered up so they can be safe from the lusts of men.

You are right life is short. I don't behave in certain ways to get to heaven. My goal is to be a good person here on earth now and to live a righteous life and to help make this world a better place and on those merits I will be judged.

I am not afraid We all have our ways to G-d. You have yours and I have mine.
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Old 07-23-2010, 07:35 AM
 
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Jazzymom, I agree with you, the man responsible for his behavior there is no excuse,
Do you deny that dress naked can inspire the lust the men? Is God wrong when he said the veil ..
Essentially, veil is obedience to God and the protection of women together
I always repeat in my life, that climbed the top is not easy Has difficulties, Obligation , Sacrifice so Paradise
Life is short, Why I do not obey God ?
I have seen many women that have made me want to, and thought about having SEX with. But not ONCE have I thought about holding her down, while she was screaming, crying and bleeding begging me to stop while I raped her.

To think that seeing a naked, or near naked women would somehow drive me to behave in such a deplorable way is shocking.

If you have these thoughts when looking at a women, please, for the good of the people who have to live with you, seek help.
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Old 07-23-2010, 09:00 AM
 
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I have seen many women that have made me want to, and thought about having SEX with. But not ONCE have I thought about holding her down, while she was screaming, crying and bleeding begging me to stop while I raped her.

To think that seeing a naked, or near naked women would somehow drive me to behave in such a deplorable way is shocking.

If you have these thoughts when looking at a women, please, for the good of the people who have to live with you, seek help.

actually, you are dirty creature

Your country should keep you in jail forever Do not feel ashamed of yourself!!..

Your life just rape, As a result of freedom, Where is your spouse or you have a wife and 100 raped Are all men like you!...

I'm sure that the rape did not add you happiness never But misery on the misery...


This is the result that women be naked

naked = rape


A miserable life that women live threatened with rape at any time ..

God when he says the veil for a woman to live Without the threat ..

Even women know that men consider the women naked as a body without the spirit
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Old 07-23-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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Imanway, READ Gplex's post again. You COMPLETELY misunderstood it.

He is NOT a rapist...he pointed out the insanity in reasoning of the veil-as-protector.
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Old 07-23-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Gplex
I have seen many women that have made me want to, and thought about having SEX with. But not ONCE have I thought about holding her down, while she was screaming, crying and bleeding begging me to stop while I raped her.

To think that seeing a naked, or near naked women would somehow drive me to behave in such a deplorable way is shocking.

If you have these thoughts when looking at a women, please, for the good of the people who have to live with you, seek help.

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actually, you are dirty creature

Your country should keep you in jail forever Do not feel ashamed of yourself!!..

Your life just rape, As a result of freedom, Where is your spouse or you have a wife and 100 raped Are all men like you!...

I'm sure that the rape did not add you happiness never But misery on the misery...


This is the result that women be naked

naked = rape


A miserable life that women live threatened with rape at any time ..

God when he says the veil for a woman to live Without the threat ..

Even women know that men consider the women naked as a body without the spirit
wow slow down.....

He is saying yes, thoughts about sex, not rape. but that You have been saying that men have those lustful thoughts because of the way women dress so the hijab is needed to keep men from having those thoughts and women safe.

We are not even talking about being naked, but dressed in a way your culture deems as immodest.

He has committed no crime and unless you commit a crime in my country you do not go to jail.

Having thoughts is not a crime, acting on those thoughts is a crime.

I am really confused at how you think...

That women need to be covered to keep men from having lustful thoughts.
That a man needs to go to jail for having those lustful thoughts.
That how one dresses will cause them to be raped.

Again we are talking about personal responsibility. Yes men have thoughts, but they don't act on them because they have self control.

Having thoughts is not the crime acting on them is.....

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Old 07-23-2010, 10:03 AM
 
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I'm sure this womans sexy scanty clothing caused her to be raped.

An 89-year-old woman was raped in her own home in what police have described as a "despicable crime".
Elderly woman raped in her home (http://4smart.net/news/read-2848/Elderly_woman_raped_in_her_home - broken link)
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