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Old 06-03-2008, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Maybe we should just ban free speech all together. Then we can start acting like the Islamic Nations. And instead of passing out coins, we will just kill the people who do not continue to believe in Islam.
Campbell have you considered converting to Islam? I seriously think you should look into it. Allah could be the one true God, and your's may be false.
Attempting to covert people has no place in a war zone.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:10 AM
 
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Maybe we should just ban free speech all together. Then we can start acting like the Islamic Nations. And instead of passing out coins, we will just kill the people who do not continue to believe in Islam.
As should be obvious, the problem isn't just that people are proselytizing in Iraq. The problem is that representatives of the United States government are doing so. The Constitution prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another. And if that weren't enough, a little common sense ought to show it's a bad idea to try converting a country that doesn't trust us and that we are occupying militarily.
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Old 06-03-2008, 03:30 PM
 
Location: vagabond
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As should be obvious, the problem isn't just that people are proselytizing in Iraq. The problem is that representatives of the United States government are doing so. The Constitution prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another. And if that weren't enough, a little common sense ought to show it's a bad idea to try converting a country that doesn't trust us and that we are occupying militarily.
not to mention that it is kind of common courtesy.

in troop's cat-out-of-the-bag thread, we started discussing the idea that there are specific places and times that it is not appropriate to discuss religion. i never had a problem discussing religion with my buddies on post when i was in iraq, so long as they didn't mind (or i was aware enough to notice if they minded or not). and there were times when dealing with curious--and allied, friendly, conversational--iraqis that we would engage in a religious conversation in which we looked at things like historical conflicts between muslims and christians, but there was never any point in which i thought it would be appropriate to begin preaching or trying to convert.

i think that there is every reason in the world for them to have realized that this was a bad idea, not the least of which would be coersion (occupier manipulating the occupied).
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:09 PM
 
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As should be obvious, the problem isn't just that people are proselytizing in Iraq. The problem is that representatives of the United States government are doing so. The Constitution prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another. And if that weren't enough, a little common sense ought to show it's a bad idea to try converting a country that doesn't trust us and that we are occupying militarily.
You know nothing about the government and what the military can or can't do. the Military is not a state. It would blow your mind what laws and rules there are. That would not be allowed in the new world of thinking.
Your opinion the military is bound by the constitution in the same way is very wrong. If you had ever served you would know a little bit. The men fighting have ever right to preach the religion of their choice, Freedom of religion is the rule , the GOV did not say go preach. even if they only provide2 main religions to practice on US GOV property. The pay people to preach. Government employed preachers. Good for the GOV.
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:22 PM
 
Location: San Josť, CA
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You know nothing about the government and what the military can or can't do. the Military is not a state. It would blow your mind what laws and rules there are. That would not be allowed in the new world of thinking.
Your opinion the military is bound by the constitution in the same way is very wrong. If you had ever served you would know a little bit. The men fighting have ever right to preach the religion of their choice, Freedom of religion is the rule , the GOV did not say go preach. even if they only provide2 main religions to practice on US GOV property. The pay people to preach. Government employed preachers. Good for the GOV.
Don't worry. I'll translate, I think he said:
Go convoyt them A-rabs to whatAyver Relgn Im from! Yeeeee-haw!!!

This is an example of why it's good to have diversity in foreign policy -- why you don't want to put those in charge who only know military. It's this type of ignorance which is why we're some of the sh*t that we're in -- no knowledge of history, foreign policy, relations, etc etc --
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:26 PM
 
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Your opinion the military is bound by the constitution in the same way is very wrong.
That's got to be about the saddest and scariest thing I've read on this forum so far.
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:46 PM
 
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You know nothing about the government and what the military can or can't do. the Military is not a state. It would blow your mind what laws and rules there are. That would not be allowed in the new world of thinking.
Your opinion the military is bound by the constitution in the same way is very wrong. If you had ever served you would know a little bit. The men fighting have ever right to preach the religion of their choice, Freedom of religion is the rule , the GOV did not say go preach. even if they only provide2 main religions to practice on US GOV property. The pay people to preach. Government employed preachers. Good for the GOV.
They don't pay people to convert the masses. They pay ministers as well as (and you better hold on to your hat here....) catholic priests, muslim clerics and rabbis to give comfort and religious support to the men and women in our military. Not to the public at large. Either here or abroad.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:05 PM
 
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Exactly, camping!

They also use chaplains to support counseling services for gambling, drinking, credit card abuse, spousal abuse, PTSD, etc.

I see this on AFN commercials every day.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:08 PM
 
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Campbell have you considered converting to Islam? I seriously think you should look into it. Allah could be the one true God, and your's may be false.
Attempting to covert people has no place in a war zone.
It is evil religious beliefs that has brought evil on our nation, I can not think of a more proper place to convert people. Especially if you can show them that your faith is the truth. And the Bible has evidence for such truth. Usually the ones who cannot see this are the non thinkers. Jesus Christ has instructed us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel.
Jesus did not present us with a list of where we should not go. And until then, Christians will do as we are commanded.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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It is evil religious beliefs that has brought evil on our nation, I can not think of a more proper place to convert people. Especially if you can show them that your faith is the truth. And the Bible has evidence for such truth. Usually the ones who cannot see this are the non thinkers. Jesus Christ has instructed us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel.
Jesus did not present us with a list of where we should not go. And until then, Christians will do as we are commanded.
Unreal...Don't think, just do as commanded. When are you booking your flight?
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