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Old 06-15-2008, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Campbell, if you feel that strongly about the issue I'm sure some of us may be willing to pitch in and buy you a one way ticket to Iraq so you can convert the Muslim heathens to your hearts content...I doubt if you will need a return ticket, unless you want your body shipped back.Your ignorance confounds me.
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Old 06-15-2008, 01:14 PM
 
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Yes, you were the religious petty officer, so it was your job no?
Big difference from being a marine on guard patrol in an unfriendly occuppied country isnt it?
It was a job, and there was never a problem with anyone talking about God. In a place where troops are often surrounded by unfriendlies, often God is the one who will give you the most support. To think you must forget about Gods work because you are in the military only reveals your humanistic approach to God. God is much bigger than your earthly rules.
I really think you would have to know and trust Him to understand what I am saying. He really does exist, and often our actions are used by Him to bring about His bigger plans. And sometimes even our mistakes He uses to bring about good. He is not just some immignary being that we just pretend to have. He is very real. Now I know this may sound crazy, but I personally know Him. You don't get like me, unless you have had an encounter with Him.
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Old 06-15-2008, 01:49 PM
 
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Campbell, if you feel that strongly about the issue I'm sure some of us may be willing to pitch in and buy you a one way ticket to Iraq so you can convert the Muslim heathens to your hearts content...I doubt if you will need a return ticket, unless you want your body shipped back.Your ignorance confounds me.
Well thats nice for the offer, yet I have found in the past that I have to listen to God first. When I was 18 years old I told God that I was going to join the Navy. God let me know that He did not want me to do that. So I told God that we would have to take up our relationship after boot camp. Well on the day that I passed my Navy physical, I accidently got caught on a 7,400 volt eletrical line. After 7 weeks in the hosiptal and a number of months after that, I was still able to get into the navy. Yet after 7 weeks of boot camp they discovered how bad some of my burns were and the kicked me out. So now days, I try only to do what I think God wants me to do. I find it's a lot easier that way. Still and all, thanks for the offer.
It's not really my ignorance that confounds you. It's the God I follow, and He confounds me sometimes to. You see God had a special job for me to do, and that is why He did not want me to go into the navy. Yet thats a different story.
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Old 06-15-2008, 02:42 PM
 
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I would not be so sensitive about this.

Many Iraqi friends gave my Christain husband prayer beads, prayer stones and various articles when he left (MTT team USMC) Fallujah, Ramadi, Hadithah...he has been five times. He was very touched and the Marines have a pretty good relationship with most Iraqi's from what I hear. The press is always stirring things up.


The fact that soldiers who served under Sadam are now friendly and hospitable to US military personel is really an accomplishment. Many are working side by side every day. There will probably be conversions on both sides, and people upset about it on both sides. Don't feed that beast.

Iraqis performed CPR on his best friend for over an hour and delivered him alive, he later died. As far as I am concerned there is a kinship that is evolving over there (and not so much behind the wire) that is the main story and many, on both side will try and poison that. What is really happening is not on the news.
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:14 PM
 
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Christian Freedom International, an obscure organization based in Sault Ste. Marie, Mich., is defending a U.S. Marine removed from duty for trying to convert Iraqi Muslims in Fallujah to Christianity while on duty.

The problem began late last month when an American newspaper reported on complaints from Iraqi Muslims that American soldiers were handing out coins intended to convert them to Christianity at a military checkpoint in Fallujah. The coins had text in Arabic on them. On one side the text said, "Where will you spend eternity?" On the other side, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16."

In 2000, Gen. Tommy Franks, then commander-in-chief of the U.S. Central Command (which oversees all American military operations in the Middle East), issued a directive called General Order 1A. This directive recognized that because of interaction between American soldiers and local residents of a different religion it was important to "restrict certain activities which are generally permissible in western societies."

Declaring that such restrictions were "essential to preserving U.S. / host nation relations and combined operations of U.S. and friendly forces," the order forbids American soldiers from: entering a mosque without specific authorization from his superiors and the host country; using alcohol in either Iraq or Kuwait and following all local laws on the matter elsewhere in the Middle East; possession of pornography; gambling of any kind; and "Proselytizing of any religion, faith or practice."

The body of a Muslim convert to Christianity who went missing in mid-July, has
been returned to his family, slaughtered and cut into four pieces by Islamic
extremists.
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:22 PM
 
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sanspeur, your last line is very sad.
Why don't the xians take care of people's lives not cause their death?
Or if eternity is so important to these xians, why not just commit suicide, instead of inciting murder, so that they can get to heaven faster?
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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It seems they will proselytize even if they are the cause of the death of the converts...Not only sad, but cruel, uncaring and murderous...It disgusts me to say the least.
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:38 PM
 
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Christian Freedom International, an obscure organization based in Sault Ste. Marie, Mich., is defending a U.S. Marine removed from duty for trying to convert Iraqi Muslims in Fallujah to Christianity while on duty.

The problem began late last month when an American newspaper reported on complaints from Iraqi Muslims that American soldiers were handing out coins intended to convert them to Christianity at a military checkpoint in Fallujah. The coins had text in Arabic on them. On one side the text said, "Where will you spend eternity?" On the other side, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16."

In 2000, Gen. Tommy Franks, then commander-in-chief of the U.S. Central Command (which oversees all American military operations in the Middle East), issued a directive called General Order 1A. This directive recognized that because of interaction between American soldiers and local residents of a different religion it was important to "restrict certain activities which are generally permissible in western societies."

Declaring that such restrictions were "essential to preserving U.S. / host nation relations and combined operations of U.S. and friendly forces," the order forbids American soldiers from: entering a mosque without specific authorization from his superiors and the host country; using alcohol in either Iraq or Kuwait and following all local laws on the matter elsewhere in the Middle East; possession of pornography; gambling of any kind; and "Proselytizing of any religion, faith or practice."

The body of a Muslim convert to Christianity who went missing in mid-July, has
been returned to his family, slaughtered and cut into four pieces by Islamic
extremists.
The Bible tells us we should take up our cross and follow Christ. It is not always an easy road, yet Christians that love Him have been doing it for centuries. And whosoever believes in him though they were dead, yet shall they live. And fear not them that can destroy the body, but rather fear Him that can destroy both the body and soul in Hell. That Muslim convert is with Jesus now. Yet those Islamic extremists need to come to Christ before it is to late for them.
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:54 PM
 
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sanspeur, your last line is very sad.
Why don't the xians take care of people's lives not cause their death?
Or if eternity is so important to these xians, why not just commit suicide, instead of inciting murder, so that they can get to heaven faster?
Jesus knew that He would have to die for the truth, and many Christians around the world know they may have to die as well for that same truth. That is why the Bible tells us we should take up our cross and follow Christ. Christians cannot commit suicide, because it is not our life to take. We have given our life to God to do with as He sees fit. Jesus asks the question. The fields are white unto harvest, but where are the reapers? Well the real Christians are not killing themselves, nor are they keeping quiet. We are doing what Jesus commands of us. We are telling the world of Christ gift of Salvation. It is the evil in this world that incites murder and tries to silence the truth of Gods salvation.
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Old 06-15-2008, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The Bible tells us we should take up our cross and follow Christ. It is not always an easy road, yet Christians that love Him have been doing it for centuries. And whosoever believes in him though they were dead, yet shall they live. And fear not them that can destroy the body, but rather fear Him that can destroy both the body and soul in Hell. That Muslim convert is with Jesus now. Yet those Islamic extremists need to come to Christ before it is to late for them.
Well I think your bible, at least the way you interpret it is foolish, wrong and murderous.
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