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Old 06-22-2008, 04:18 AM
 
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I go to church once a year in Istanbul also, which one you go to? I also give my prayers at the Sophia.
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After researching with an open mind, I starting practicing Islam.
The true Islam is peaceful.
Not the stuff you hear in the media.
We used to be Jewish, and Jews and Muslims get along just fine.
Some have issues, the small percentage make it to the news.
yes my friend islam is peaceful

but muslims are belive that

judgement has 3 augur

1th --> sun will rise in the west
2nd--->yec'uc mec'uc will be free(they are great monsters)
3th--->jesus will down to the sky

but sun is not rise in the west

it's not basic logic
it's complicated logic

think... this content that muslims in the asia-or middle east are will prefer other religions or they prefer atheisim

but west will prefer islam

it's augur of judgement but

if you prefer islam or you a muslim you will be affable in the judgement

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Old 06-22-2008, 04:56 AM
 
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Wipe your computer screen, its dirty
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:54 AM
 
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yes my friend islam is peaceful

but muslims are belive that

judgement has 3 augur

1th --> sun will rise in the west
2nd--->yec'uc mec'uc will be free(they are great monsters)
3th--->jesus will down to the sky

but sun is not rise in the west

it's not basic logic
it's complicated logic

think... this content that muslims in the asia-or middle east are will prefer other religions or they prefer atheisim
it's scientific logic nowadays called The retrograde motion of planets


The simplest model to explain the motion of the planets has them, along with the Moon and the Sun (the other two wandering objects in the sky), moving in circles, centered around a fixed Earth. This model explains why these celestial objects move against the background of the stars, but there were some oddities in their movements that were not well explained by it.
One of the most notable of these behaviors has to be the retrograde motion of the planets. Planets, as we noted, move relative to the stars, and they do so, generally, moving from west to east in the sky. If we look at the sky, at the same time of the night on two different nights, we will generally notice that the planets have moved a little to the east. But every once in a while, a planet will do something funny: it will slow down its motion, will appear to "stop" for a short while, and will then start moving in the opposite direction, to the west. Eventually, it will stop again, and resume its movement towards the east.

It was unacceptable that a planet would stop in its track and reverse its motion along its circular paths for a short while, to reverse them once again a while later. So, clearly, a better model was needed. Ptolemy devised the most sophisticated of these models that still kept the Earth as the center (so called geocentric models, although to account for other, subtler, irregularities, in his model the Earth was no longer at the exact center). One of its basic ideas was that planets were carried on a small circle (called the epicycle, whose center moves along another, larger, circle around the Earth, called the deferent.

Retrograde Motion of planets (Science U)


Abu Hurayra(R.A.) narrated ... that the Messenger of Allah
SWT said :" The day of the hour will not come until the
sun rises from the west, if it rises and the people saw it they will all
believe, when a time where nothing will be accepted anymore of believe
the truth" [Abu Bukhari,Muslim


And the strange thing most of our Shariah scholars mentioned that the
rise of the sun from the west occurs only once - on that day, the sun
will rise from the west, then again from the east, and continues until
Allah wishes (compatible with the science theory)
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Old 06-22-2008, 11:54 AM
 
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Hmm... Amazing

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Old 06-22-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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Ohh, retrograde motion came up in last week's cosmology exam:

Explaining retrograde motion requires us to make tweaks to the Copernican model. The Copernican model ditched the commonly held view that the earth was at the center of everything and replaced it with this:


Which solved unbelievably complicated paths that some planets took on the earlier model. The copernican model however was not perfect, there were 3 problems:

1-Some stars didn't appear to move at all throughout the seasons.

2-Retrograde motion

3-Some planets positions didn't quite match up the predictions

The first problem was easy enough to solve, those stars are just unbelievably far away so there is negligible parallax.

The second and third however required the works on Johannes Kepler and Issac Newton. Kepler discovered 3 laws for planetary motion, they were:

1-Planets move in ellipses
2-Areas A and B are the same

3-The square of the period is inversely proportional to the cube of the distance between the star and the semi-mayor axis of the elliptical path

With Newton we get 2 incredibly important equations:
F=ma(Newtons second law of motion)
F=GmM/r^2(Newtons law of gravitation

F/m=a
therefore

a=GM/r^2

What the mathematics of this say is that as a planet gets closer to the sun, it will travel faster around it. Because a planet closer to the sun will be accelerating, it means that at one point the planet will become faster that a planet further away and can actually overtake it. This is why the planet will slow down, stop, go backwards and then start going forwards again.

The sun rises roughly from the east and set west(changes slightly depending on the season), If the sun actually rose from the west then it would be a huge event. Really the only think I can think of which could cause this to happen is some sort of huge meteor hitting earth in a certain angle.
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