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Old 06-23-2008, 08:48 AM
 
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it is very obvious , that they are innocent childern , it isn't cermony at all , it's just show

my openion is that every society have its own culture which influences with what happened for them and around them
what do you think the culture of phalastenians is ?
for me , if i live in country as phalstine , every day someone from my family , friends , nieghbour killed , offcourse i will teach my children how to fight , and i will encourage him to that

anyway you are talking about phalastenians here
for them the terrorists are israil not hamas .
can you look in the subject just one time from others side prespective ?
Actually I do try to always see the 'other sides perspective' in many things. Including Palestine. I agree that they have every right to be angry, every right to fight against an occupation especially when Israel allows (I apologize here, I do not remember what they are called....they are religous jews who go against their own government to take over Palestinian lands) anyways....I do understand the anger and mistrust. I think that I worded my original question wrong.....what I should have asked is how is this type of early training of suicide bombers looked at by other muslims in the Islamic world? For instance, if christians were to see this video except it was christian children practicing for a crusade --- the christian world (with a few exceptions) would consider this an example of extremists and frankly complete nutjobs.
And finally, I wanted to point out that when Americans see this, they do not see boys being trained to fight an occupying Israel. They see boys being trained to hijack planes and blow up buildings in the west. Perhaps its a cultural thing, but right or wrong it is this type of glorification of suicide bombers that makes it all the more harder for Americans and Muslims to have a better understanding of each other.

And I do understand that not all muslims are Palestinians, and not all Palestinians are going to be militant. Do Palestinians know that not all Americans are Christians? That not all Americans support Israel in their occupation of Palestine?
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:33 AM
 
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ozzie, you may have anger at Israel, but would you program your own children to be used as weapons in this manner?
Honestly, It would go beyond anger. It would be rage. But personally, I could not see myself training any child to be a warrior at such a young age. The video looks like propaganda to me.

I think we need to understand the history of what happened to the Palestinians before we judge ALL MUSLIMS based on this video. The world took a big poop on the Palestinians when Israel was given independence. I have a very hard time judging them.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Once again ozzie....I am not judging all Muslims. I don't know if the video is propaganda or not, but I do know the extremists teach their children to hate.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Do you honestly believe 1 youtube video is representative of an entire religion?

Seriously..
Yes. That is what is presented to us.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:52 AM
 
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Yes. That is what is presented to us.
Honestly.. is this a road you want to go down..

cause if so..

I win.

I mean.. that is the evidence presented.. it must be true.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:25 AM
 
Location: egypt
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I think that I worded my original question wrong.....what I should have asked is how is this type of early training of suicide bombers looked at by other muslims in the Islamic world? For instance, if christians were to see this video except it was christian children practicing for a crusade --- the christian world (with a few exceptions) would consider this an example of extremists and frankly complete nutjobs.
i am sorry also if i misunderstod your point
all i wanna to say that it isn't a training at all , it's very clear that its just a show , are you really think that this is training for jihad ? absolutely not

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And finally, I wanted to point out that when Americans see this, they do not see boys being trained to fight an occupying Israel. They see boys being trained to hijack planes and blow up buildings in the west. Perhaps its a cultural thing, but right or wrong it is this type of glorification of suicide bombers that makes it all the more harder for Americans and Muslims to have a better understanding of each other.
i agree with you
but please tell them "don't worry" they will not travil to americans to kill them , they should deal with invadors first


but where is the suicide trainning , is it because thier saying "death for the sake of God" ?
this statement dosn't mean to be suicide at all , in arab culture and in islamic culture it means fighting without fear from death , or fight untill the death or whether victory or death , all are the same , it dosn't mean to kill youself or to kill innocents or to kill amrecans

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And I do understand that not all muslims are Palestinians, and not all Palestinians are going to be militant. Do Palestinians know that not all Americans are Christians? That not all Americans support Israel in their occupation of Palestine?
muslims and phastinians not hate americans people they didn't hate personals at all , relegion of americans also have nothing to do with .
we hate america as a system as a government as a military

and we know off course that not all americans support israil , and we appreciate thier reactions and thier support

salam
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:25 AM
 
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Once again ozzie....I am not judging all Muslims. I don't know if the video is propaganda or not, but I do know the extremists teach their children to hate.
Oh, I know you didn't say that.

Agreed. Extremism is bad no matter the race or religion.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:27 AM
 
Location: San José, CA
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Extremism is horrible.

However, that video isn't indicative of the 1 billion Muslims around the globe. In fact, 99% would detest it.

See: Jesus Camp.

Are all Christians raising warrior children for Jesus?

Come on, let's all use some common sense. Learn first, talk second.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:30 AM
 
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Yes. That is what is presented to us.
And the good people of Germany also believed what was presented to them at one time. Don't believe everything you see and read.

I hope you weren't serious....
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:38 AM
 
Location: egypt
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what subject you people depating here
it's just a show
it isn't training at all , it's very obvious
someone said here that there are photos of americans at the wall !!
it's noraml picture in normal class , the pictures are for children playing in garden
it's very strange to deal with children's show as to be real camp for tiny children
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