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Old 06-28-2008, 09:40 AM
 
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thank you for the link
but please i wanna unbiased , historical , authorized sources , which i can accept
you said
I will remind you that the Crusades were started after the Moslems first murdered half of the Christians in Asia and burned to the ground 3,000 Christian churches. It's your religion of peace that started the war.

when muslims did that ?, what is your sources for this information? , is there anyname for this event which i can google it for details , i realy never heared about that muslims murdered half of the christians in asia and burned christian churches

thank you for your time
salam
Muslim conquests can be viewed on the link below, it is a matter of historical record.

Muslim conquests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-28-2008, 09:49 AM
 
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Please provide sources in conjunction with your many statements. It would be very helpful in responding to much of your undying ability to pass over everything we say. Please review my post, read it 4 times if necessary, and if you're still willing to shut yourself off to all things not altruism, then you're intellectually dishonest.

If you're not going to respond to posts, it might be best not to respond at all. Thanks.
Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq

Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:00 PM
 
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The point of the matter is, Iraq is better off without them.
You say this given your extensive Iraqi upbring of course.. right?

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And having freedom will give their nation for the first time a choice in the direction they really want to go.
Careful what you wish for.. Saddam was very secular. You might just get overly religious muslim nation. I have no problem with that.. but based on your comments you might.


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Perhaps you believe Iraq and the world was better off with a madman. I don't.
Actually.. from one perspective I do. With Saddam you knew what you had. Now.. we have no idea what we have or what will emerge when we leave.

All your examples are true. Saddam was a horrible person. I guess I'm not sure which hurts worse though.. being dropped off a building or having a 1,000 ton bomb dropped on my house. Hard to tell I guess. Unfortunately in either case the outcome is the same so we don't really have anyone to reference.
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Old 06-29-2008, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Egypt
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Muslim conquests can be viewed on the link below, it is a matter of historical record.
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Can you tell where in this article saying that moslims killed half of christians or burned their churches (though i do not see that a wikipedia article is a reliable source)

You insist on this lie that you believe, this is ridiculous. (no offence)

I replied to you before, clarifying to you that is lie. These lies were said by the crusaders leaders to collect more ignorant christians to their blood shed. (no offence)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/3444930-post240.html

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Old 06-29-2008, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Egypt
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As it was mentioned, To explain how the Islamic empire was extended:

Islam gives the right for moslims to fight foreign armies for specific reasons:

1) The foreign country attacked the moslim country (Like the eastern roman empire first raised armies against the moslim country since the prophet "pbuh" time).

2) The moslims who invite others to Islam are killed or imprisoned, also anyone who convert to be a moslim is killed or imprisoned.

And since all the countries in this historical middle ages were not allowing any new religions to be presented or accept any conversion to Islam, So this was the norm.

The armies were organized and knew very well that they are not allowed to kill any civilian or harm priests or churches,etc.

Non moslims men pay a small tax called (Jezya) if they can afford it, while moslims pay the Islamic tax (Zakat), they are both equal citizens and have the same rights as moslims with the known rule (lahm ma lana wa alihom ma alina) "they have the same rights as us and same duties as us". They are not entered into moslims armies, which make them even have more rights than moslims. If a non moslim is poor and cannot afford living he has the right to have money from the moslim government so as to live.

In Egypt it took about 400 years for moslims to reach 90%, by free will conversion, marriage, migration, etc. The same for other regions, it took decades for moslim population to reach majority.

If you look at countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, no single moslim arabian army was there, they converted to Islam due to the good morals of moslim traders who invited them to Islam.

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Old 06-29-2008, 04:26 PM
 
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As it was mentioned, To explain how the Islamic empire was extended:

Islam gives the right for moslims to fight foreign armies for specific reasons:

1) The foreign country attacked the moslim country (Like the eastern roman empire first raised armies against the moslim country since the prophet "pbuh" time).

2) The moslims who invite others to Islam are killed or imprisoned, also anyone who convert to be a moslim is killed or imprisoned.

And since all the countries in this historical middle ages were not allowing any new religions to be presented or accept any conversion to Islam, So this was the norm.

The armies were organized and knew very well that they are not allowed to kill any civilian or harm priests or churches,etc.

Non moslims men pay a small tax called (Jezya) if they can afford it, while moslims pay the Islamic tax (Zakat), they are both equal citizens and have the same rights as moslims with the known rule (lahm ma lana wa alihom ma alina) "they have the same rights as us and same duties as us". They are not entered into moslims armies, which make them even have more rights than moslims. If a non moslim is poor and cannot afford living he has the right to have money from the moslim government so as to live.

In Egypt it took about 400 years for moslims to reach 90%, by free will conversion, marriage, migration, etc. The same for other regions, it took decades for moslim population to reach majority.

If you look at countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, no single moslim arabian army was there, they converted to Islam due to the good morals of moslim traders who invited them to Islam.
Moslims today are killing all over the world from Indonesia, to Africa, to the Middle East. Christians are having their churches burned down so often that it is becoming common place. It appears Moslims can find any reason to do this, and some how feel justified.
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:25 PM
 
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Moslims today are killing all over the world from Indonesia, to Africa, to the Middle East. Christians are having their churches burned down so often that it is becoming common place. It appears Moslims can find any reason to do this, and some how feel justified.
christians and jews also are killing all over the world in arab countries , and muslims are having thier mosques desrtroyed over them

anyway i hope for you to find for me specific examples and reasons of violence in this regions , so we can find out if muslims theire have any reasons to do this
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Old 06-30-2008, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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christians and jews also are killing all over the world in arab countries , and muslims are having thier mosques desrtroyed over them

anyway i hope for you to find for me specific examples and reasons of violence in this regions , so we can find out if muslims theire have any reasons to do this

Murdering and Christian is a contradiction.

Jesus said no murderer will enter Heaven.
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:37 PM
 
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Name of God the Merciful

I am happy that this is my first participation in this forum and drew my attention this participation
And wanted to give you my point of view of the subject because I live in Gaza in Palestine

You are sentenced to these terrorists and extremists and Islamists without research into the causes for these children to these presentations

What do you want from the people expelled from their land?
What do you want to kill people and smothered every day ?
But you can see crimes against children in Palestine
Did not interrupt electricity Israelis from Gaza
These children lived without parents because Israel killed
How do you want them to think peace with Israel and their lives worse than animals

Forgive me if there were words and put inappropriate because of translation

Thank you

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Old 06-30-2008, 09:58 PM
 
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christians and jews also are killing all over the world in arab countries , and muslims are having thier mosques desrtroyed over them

anyway i hope for you to find for me specific examples and reasons of violence in this regions , so we can find out if muslims theire have any reasons to do this
Please show me where Christians and Jews are going out of their way to burn down Mosques. I can assure you, it is Moslems that are leading the charge here.
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