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Old 07-14-2008, 01:43 PM
 
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Same argument really. I'm sure every muslim will tell you that Muhammad was also unique because of actions he did which the person finds inspiring or any Buddhist will say Gautama Buhhda was special for other reasons.
Inspiration is one thing. Living a truly sinless life is another.

Compare the actions of Jesus with anyone else and it is safe to say that He is in a class all His own.
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:50 PM
 
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Fair enough.

Yet Christ is unique. His teaching and his life of sacrifice intimates such.
There are several pagan saviors which supposedly existed though and many of them taught peace and prosperity, some were even killed, Osiris or Mythra for example which are supposed saviors which predate Jesus and taught a message of peace then were somehow killed or assainated because of an evil plot. Osiris, for example, was king in Egyptian mythos which taught how to civilize the people in various ways and ruled the land gently. After he had civilized Egypt he went to teach others the same lessons. When he got back to Egypt, Seth had colluded with 72 other conspirators and they put Osiris in a wooden box then nailed it shut where he died.
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Old 07-14-2008, 08:54 PM
 
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Inspiration is one thing. Living a truly sinless life is another.

Compare the actions of Jesus with anyone else and it is safe to say that He is in a class all His own.
Um again to you he might be but to many others it isn't and most certainly not when it comes to people who practice religions whose teachings are devoid of the idea of sin.
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Old 07-14-2008, 09:21 PM
 
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There are several pagan saviors which supposedly existed though and many of them taught peace and prosperity, some were even killed, Osiris or Mythra for example which are supposed saviors which predate Jesus and taught a message of peace then were somehow killed or assainated because of an evil plot. Osiris, for example, was king in Egyptian mythos which taught how to civilize the people in various ways and ruled the land gently. After he had civilized Egypt he went to teach others the same lessons. When he got back to Egypt, Seth had colluded with 72 other conspirators and they put Osiris in a wooden box then nailed it shut where he died.
OK. But look at the impact of paganistic religion on the world today. It's influence, in comparison to the explicit teachings of Christ, have all but disappeared.

Is it possible that the teachings of Christ contain the most truth? In fact, that is exactly what He called Himself in John 14:6..."I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me." It is my understanding that the unmatched influence/impact of Christ on the world is an indication that His teaching is superior. How does one explain that Christ is the most influential person to ever live???
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Old 07-14-2008, 09:47 PM
 
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OK. But look at the impact of paganistic religion on the world today. It's influence, in comparison to the explicit teachings of Christ, have all but disappeared.

Is it possible that the teachings of Christ contain the most truth? In fact, that is exactly what He called Himself in John 14:6..."I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me." It is my understanding that the unmatched influence/impact of Christ on the world is an indication that His teaching is superior.
It's not a battle of popularity though, most people today think that french fries(or chips as how we refer to them here in England) originally came from France but the truth is that they are from Belgium. Truth is not determined by numbers I'm afraid.

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How does one explain that Christ is the most influential person to ever live???
History and good memes, there would be no religion without people who practice and spread it.
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:17 PM
 
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O.K

"What is the purpose of LIFE?"

"Ultimately, man should not ask what the meaning of his life is, but rather must recognize that it is he who is asked. In a word, each man is questioned by life; and he can only answer to life by answering for his own life; to life he can only respond by being responsible."

Victor Frankl
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Old 07-15-2008, 03:25 PM
 
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OK. But look at the impact of paganistic religion on the world today. It's influence, in comparison to the explicit teachings of Christ, have all but disappeared.

Is it possible that the teachings of Christ contain the most truth? In fact, that is exactly what He called Himself in John 14:6..."I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me." It is my understanding that the unmatched influence/impact of Christ on the world is an indication that His teaching is superior. How does one explain that Christ is the most influential person to ever live???
Pagan religions are mostly dead religions today, but the ancient pagan religions, Egyptian paganism for example were the dominant religions in their regions for thousands of years. Egyptian paganism lasted for four thousand years and had a profound influence on the people of the land, during the time that it was the dominant religion. Jesus/Christianity seem to me to be the new most influential religion in the world, while in its era, the various paganisms were to the ancient world.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:53 PM
 
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It's not a battle of popularity though, most people today think that french fries(or chips as how we refer to them here in England) originally came from France but the truth is that they are from Belgium. Truth is not determined by numbers I'm afraid.


History and good memes, there would be no religion without people who practice and spread it.
I would assert that the explosion of Christianity around the world denotes that its doctrine is inherently superior. To argue otherwise is to maintain that a large portion of the world's population is not reasonable and simply following myth. To me that is a very arrogant claim....to discount the experience of such a vast amount of people that follow Christ across ethnic, cultural, and socioeconomic lines.....dare I say, even folks with high intellectual capacities.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:55 PM
 
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Pagan religions are mostly dead religions today, but the ancient pagan religions, Egyptian paganism for example were the dominant religions in their regions for thousands of years. Egyptian paganism lasted for four thousand years and had a profound influence on the people of the land, during the time that it was the dominant religion. Jesus/Christianity seem to me to be the new most influential religion in the world, while in its era, the various paganisms were to the ancient world.
Can the legacy of Egyptian paganism boast such positive influence over the world?
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:11 PM
 
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Can the legacy of Egyptian paganism boast such positive influence over the world?
I don't really see where Christianity has had such a positive influence over the world though. If you look at all the bloodshed and suffering its caused and causes today from the various inquisitions, Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, Constantine's spread of Christendom, the Protestant and Catholics battling in Ireland, suppression of science and reason, the Catholic missionaries in Africa telling the people not to use condoms etc. etc. The various paganisms may not be able to boast such a positive influence in the world, although I don't really see how any religion that has gotten into power or become dominant in the culture has had any prolific positive benefit for society.
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