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Old 09-21-2008, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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The video seems to be drastically spinning the verses so that they can fit in with science. The scripture is actually very vague and could mean anything. Where does the qur'an describe in explicit detail any scientific findings.

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Old 09-22-2008, 10:42 AM
 
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The video seems to be drastically spinning the verses so that they can fit in with science. The scripture is actually very vague and could mean anything. Where does the qur'an describe in explicit detail any scientific findings.
show me any book that can fit with all the facts that were mentioned in the vedio.

If it is a false book, it would not be exactly fit with the facts.

If it is vague, then how can someone judge that it is wrong? But it is as God said,

God said what means:
36. And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, Allāh is All-Aware of what they do.

37. And this Qur'ān is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allāh (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation)[] which was before it [i.e. the Taurāt (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) - wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the 'Alamīn (mankind, jinns,and all that exists).

38. Or do they say: "He (Muhammad PBUH) has forged it?" Say: "Bring then a Sūrah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allāh, if you are truthful!"

39. Nay, they deny that; the knowledge whereof they could not compass and whereof the interpretation has not yet come unto them. Thus those before them did deny. Then see what was the end of the Zālimūn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.)!

40. And of them there are some who believe therein, and of them there are some who believe not therein, and your Lord is All-Aware of the Mufsidūn (evil-doers, liars, etc.).

I hope good thing for you my brother,

best wishes
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Old 09-22-2008, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Whiteville Tennessee
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Isnt EVERY religion that believes in a supreme diety conjecture? A bunch of what ifs and my God is better than your God? None of them can prove a darn thing. Its just faith isnt it? The Quran is vague just as The Bible is. Some men told you they were holy books and you have faith that they were right. If Christians can believe in a beast with 7 heads why cant Muslims believe in 70 virgins?
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Old 09-23-2008, 07:56 AM
 
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well, look!

I believe that this website has been designed and created by a being with will not by blind chance,

Is this conjecture or is it a matter of logic?

it is more easy to believe that this big complex and accurate universe is designed by One with the greatest will, thus I worship That Glorious One.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Whiteville Tennessee
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well, look!

I believe that this website has been designed and created by a being with will not by blind chance,

Is this conjecture or is it a matter of logic?

it is more easy to believe that this big complex and accurate universe is designed by One with the greatest will, thus I worship That Glorious One.
But can you PROVE this universe was created by THAT GLORIUS ONE? No! You cant. Thats faith. Not proof.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:46 AM
 
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Dealing with 70 on the job trainees would be tiring.
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Old 09-23-2008, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Whiteville Tennessee
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Dealing with 70 on the job trainees would be tiring.
But dude! You have all of eternity to break them in!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-23-2008, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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well, look!

I believe that this website has been designed and created by a being with will not by blind chance,

Is this conjecture or is it a matter of logic?

it is more easy to believe that this big complex and accurate universe is designed by One with the greatest will, thus I worship That Glorious One.
The difference between the website and the universe is that someone can go to the person who created the website while no one can go to god's universe factory to see god. It is provable that the website has been designed, but the universe shows no verifiable signs of an ultimate designer.
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Old 09-23-2008, 05:33 PM
 
Location: where i belong
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Amazing how similar this is to Christianity...

Shockingly so.
Moonsavvy, my friend: not to Christianity, but to Christendom. Many of us the world over need shock treatment. Our minds and souls are severely traumatized and this has caused us to fall out of Paradise and with our Creator. We simply cannot seem to understand this any longer.

May love and wisdom permeate that desperate warrior attitude and heal every one of us, soon! Now!

Peace and love to all!
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:55 AM
 
Location: egypt
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The difference between the website and the universe is that someone can go to the person who created the website while no one can go to god's universe factory to see god. It is provable that the website has been designed, but the universe shows no verifiable signs of an ultimate designer.

if i found complex tenchnoloy in another planet (technology more complex than we have) , i will suppose that there were others more intellegence than us existed in that planet before me , even if i never seen them or knew them , it's a matter of logic
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