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Old 02-11-2007, 10:01 AM
 
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So, is Allah really a stone idol. Not, the God of Heaven and Earth??
No, Allah of the Islamic faith is not a stone idol, nor is it a moon god. However the "validity" of the information regarding the faith depends on how you choose to research it, do you take the false information from people like whitelite or do you actually take an open-minded approach in researching the beliefs of others without trying to debase it as false based on your own beliefs.

As I've said in another thread, Allah is the same God of the Bible, just a different set of beliefs since Muslims view the Christians and Jews as distorting the message of the same God.
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Old 02-11-2007, 02:54 PM
 
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As I've said in another thread, Allah is the same God of the Bible, just a different set of beliefs since Muslims view the Christians and Jews as distorting the message of the same God.
From what someone else posted in another thread, I was lead to believe that the word "Allah" is simply "God" in Arabic -- that everyone who reads Arabic calls their god Allah -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.
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Old 02-11-2007, 03:00 PM
 
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From what someone else posted in another thread, I was lead to believe that the word "Allah" is simply "God" in Arabic -- that everyone who reads Arabic calls their god Allah -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.
That's correct.

However those who prefer to deny that the God of the Quran is the same God of the Bible take a path to look up the root of the word "Allah" and try to link it to a moon god and say "see, not the same God". When it fact that is entirely false.
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:03 AM
 
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Well in reality, more people have been killed in the name of God on this planet then for any other reason at all.
Not really. True religious conflict is very rare. Even the Crusades were really more about economics and trade routes than anything.

The 20th century was one of the bloodiest in recorded history, and the worst murderers were all atheists: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, the Khmer Rouge.

Human beings can be really nasty to one another. Sad to say, but true. But rarely is religion the cause.
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:04 AM
 
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That's correct.

However those who prefer to deny that the God of the Quran is the same God of the Bible take a path to look up the root of the word "Allah" and try to link it to a moon god and say "see, not the same God". When it fact that is entirely false.
Right.

Allah means "God." If you go to Lebanon or Egypt or anywhere in the Middle East and go to a Christian church, you'll hear them praying to "Allah."

Some people tend to confuse semantics with theology. Not a good idea.
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Old 02-12-2007, 11:56 AM
 
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Well in reality, more people have been killed in the name of God on this planet then for any other reason at all. The Christians are equally as guilty of this. Look at the crusades, the thought behind the ideology was essentially the same as many of the radical muslims see their jihad today. There are plenty of moderate muslims, but many in the Muslim world are centuries behind the west and on this particular topic it shows that a lot of people in the arab world are still living in the dark ages and unfortunately are successfully spreading their message of hate across the globe.
Totally agree with the last part of spreading hate.---but--


I would take issue with you on several accounts. It is a common mistake to use the generic term "Christian" for the crusades, when in fact it was the Roman Catholics. Read the history about this period of time the Catholics were also killing Christians (real ones) that would not adhere to the Popes. Over 68 million were murdered in a 800 year span. Not this present pope, but the last one "John Paul" appologized publically for this.

The current "Spin" is to call most Muslims moderate and just a few radicals. I've heard the from the White House press say such words; only about 10% are suppose to be radical. Well, I don't believe that, but just for argument sake there are over a BILLION Muslims in the world. That would make the radical number somewhere in the 100,000,000 range or about 1/3 the population of the entire Uniter States. Not a small number in anyones book.
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Old 02-12-2007, 12:16 PM
 
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Totally agree with the last part of spreading hate.---but--


I would take issue with you on several accounts. It is a common mistake to use the generic term "Christian" for the crusades, when in fact it was the Roman Catholics. Read the history about this period of time the Catholics were also killing Christians (real ones) that would not adhere to the Popes. Over 68 million were murdered in a 800 year span. Not this present pope, but the last one "John Paul" appologized publically for this.

The current "Spin" is to call most Muslims moderate and just a few radicals. I've heard the from the White House press say such words; only about 10% are suppose to be radical. Well, I don't believe that, but just for argument sake there are over a BILLION Muslims in the world. That would make the radical number somewhere in the 100,000,000 range or about 1/3 the population of the entire Uniter States. No a small number in anyones book.

Is that the same White House that told us Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that they were in cahoots with Al Qaeda?

That White House?
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Old 02-12-2007, 12:54 PM
 
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And yes, lots of the traditions in our 3 largest religions are nothing more than a mishmash of pagan beliefs/traditions, because this was the easiest way to convert the pagans back in that time period (ex: december 25 for Xmas).
(Sorry for mis-spellings-tried to download spell-check but didn't work).

You are right about the pagan beliefs being brought in. Time is all it took. The Roman Catholic Church was set up by Constantine in about 300 A.D. To bring power to himself he needed troops and knew that people will fight under a common cause. He sent Uscebius (sp) to Alexandria and got 50 books (perverted bibles) based on the Vaticanus and Siniaticus texts. Under this he set himself up as ruler and the first pope with their banner the sign of the cross. He still needed people so he invited all to come and join under one religion (his). The word Catholic means general so many pagans came and brought their idolatry (notice all the statues in a Roman church), and practices.

Yule (sun god) Dec 25. the birthday of his son Tammuz, -- the Catholics then many years later '"christianized" this to the birthday to Jesus-not. The woman holding the little baby (nativity scene) is Simaramis holding Tammuz. Simaramis, is also known as Estar or Easter in the Chaldean language, she is/was the Bablyonian goddess of spring fertility, her pagan practices were held at the spring equinox with bunnys, eggs, ducks, wicker baskets and such. Hence spring fertility got Simaramis pregnant and 9 months later December 25 Tammuz was born. These all passed over to the Roman Catholics which in turn were carried along with the Reformation, then unto today when most everyone still practices them here in America without checking out the meanings and where they came from.

Lent (A Catholic Practice, Ash Wednesday) sets forth a 40 fast of sorts in which a person is to withold from eating certain things until Easter. This was a memorial to Tammuz who was killed in a hunt by a wild boar. It was thought by the pagans that eating the animal that killed the person was repayment for the trespass, so Easter ham is where that came from. The 40 day fast was due to Tammuz being 40 years old when he died, so one day for one year in his rememberance. All of this too was "catholic christianized". In the Bible God showed Ezekiel the abominations that were brought into the Jewish beliefs by their captivity into Babylon. One of which is so called "Lent" a lamentation for a death of a pagan god Tammuz. (common back then to make legions and gods out of men) Ezk 8:5-18 vs. 14 & 15 "Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these (His Greek name later became Adonis and his Egyptian name is Osiris).

A view of Muhammads history shows he was cast out of his country and went into Israel where he was exposed to Roman Catholic beliefs and to the Torah (Jewish Laws). Some of these themes became part of his religion when he returned with his army (band of thugs and thieves) to Mecca and conqured it by force.
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Old 02-12-2007, 12:56 PM
 
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Is that the same White House that told us Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that they were in cahoots with Al Qaeda?

That White House?
Yes, good point. Along with the all of the main line news media. I guess we are supposed to filter it out. Anyway, they also told us the Muslim faith is a peaceful religion.
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Old 02-12-2007, 12:59 PM
 
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That's correct.

However those who prefer to deny that the God of the Quran is the same God of the Bible take a path to look up the root of the word "Allah" and try to link it to a moon god and say "see, not the same God". When it fact that is entirely false.
I strongly disagree. They aren't the same. The Jewish religion doesn't acknoweldge Allah nor does the Christian faith as Jehovah. How far back did you research?
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