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Old 09-02-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.

That is absolutely false, and I cannot even begin to point out where,

You obviously are too indoctrinated, brainwashed, too discuss this with any intelligence.
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Old 09-12-2014, 01:09 PM
 
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The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) is the final Prophet and The Holy Quran is final book from Allah

and if any one claims or claimed that he is a prophet after The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)
then he is under illusion or imposter liar.
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is
the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets and
Allah is ever Aware of all things. Holy Quran 33:40
The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said,
The Last Hour would not come until there would arise about thirty impostors, liars,
and each one of them would claim that he is a messenger of Allah.
prophet Jesus peace be upon them will descend from heaven one day to the earth to destroy the Antichrist

The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said,
There is no prophet between me and him, that is,
jesus (peace_be_upon_him).
He will descent (to the earth).
When you see him, recognise him:

a man of medium height,
reddish fair,
wearing two light yellow garments,
looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet.

He will fight the people for the cause of Islam.
He will break the cross,
kill swine, and abolish jizyah.
Allah will perish all religions except Islam.
He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die.
The Muslims will pray over him.





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Old 09-12-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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That is absolutely false, and I cannot even begin to point out where,

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Perhaps you could start by showing a past Surah that differs from what we have today?
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Old 09-12-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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Perhaps you could start by showing a past Surah that differs from what we have today?

You obviousaly did not read what he quoted.
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Old 09-12-2014, 03:21 PM
 
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Perhaps you could start by showing a past Surah that differs from what we have today?
If you recall, Ulthman had to standardize it, at least 5 others were destroyed,
Muhammed himself said there were different ways to recite it
Ashia admits to a goat eating the last sura he left.
If you want to see visual proof, some of the Sana Qur'ans are translated.
The Qur'an of today is from the 9th century, not the 7th, you cannot even try to convince anyone that it was in memory, of all these people, especially when nobody even heard of it until 125 years later.
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Old 09-12-2014, 05:11 PM
 
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That is absolutely false, and I cannot even begin to point out where,

You obviously are too indoctrinated, brainwashed, too discuss this with any intelligence.
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Perhaps you could start by showing a past Surah that differs from what we have today?
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You obviousaly did not read what he quoted.
I am under the assumption he posted this:

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When a nation start to ignore the testament of their prophet because hundreds of years passed since their prophet died and because of new generations then a new prophet is chosen from one of them to invite them to worship Allah and unification and Allah support his prophets with miracles .

The impact of the miracle is very strong for those who saw it so the people start to become believers again and they tell the people who did not see the miracle and every generation tell the next generation but gradually the impact of the miracle is reduced and the people start to be infidels

So a new prophet is chosen from one of them and the events pass similarly

The message of Jesus (prayer and peace be upon him) was about 2000 years ago

The message of Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) was 600 years after Jesus (prayer and peace be upon him)

Nowadays more than 1400 years since the message of Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) and Allah told us in the Quran that Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) is the last prophet and he is sent to all people in all the world and the message is completed.

So there is no next prophet.

But should not we get a new miracle like the people in the passed ?!!

The answer is no because the miracle of Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) is still alive with us and it is the Holy Quran.


The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.
Understanding Islam and the Muslims - What is the Qur`an?
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Old 09-12-2014, 05:16 PM
 
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If you recall, Ulthman had to standardize it, at least 5 others were destroyed,
Muhammed himself said there were different ways to recite it
Ashia admits to a goat eating the last sura he left.
If you want to see visual proof, some of the Sana Qur'ans are translated.
The Qur'an of today is from the 9th century, not the 7th, you cannot even try to convince anyone that it was in memory, of all these people, especially when nobody even heard of it until 125 years later.
The standardization had to do with the script used Not with the words used.
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Old 09-12-2014, 07:19 PM
 
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Not a valid excuse.

Both script and wording are different, and sura's 2..4.. and another are suspected of being different books altogether.

Islam is written in True Arabic, ( Classical Arabic) the same language Allah taught to Muhammed, and Adam.

The language existed before man.

So says Islam, and they had to destroy anything written in any other language.
remember, desert people will believe you, especially if you threaten to kill them.

Just another of Islam's lies that are constantly showing up.
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:02 PM
 
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Not a valid excuse.

Both script and wording are different, and sura's 2..4.. and another are suspected of being different books altogether.

Islam is written in True Arabic, ( Classical Arabic) the same language Allah taught to Muhammed, and Adam.

The language existed before man.

So says Islam, and they had to destroy anything written in any other language.
remember, desert people will believe you, especially if you threaten to kill them.

Just another of Islam's lies that are constantly showing up.
Do you really believe a religion would last if the adherents remained out of fear of being killed? Most Muslims have absolutely no fear of death. the threat of death is not much of a deterrent.
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Old 09-13-2014, 05:53 AM
 
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Do you really believe a religion would last if the adherents remained out of fear of being killed? Most Muslims have absolutely no fear of death. the threat of death is not much of a deterrent.
that is exactly how the religion thrived.
People generally adopt the religions of their fathers, and to quit the religion, to go against the system, will isolate you from your own family, not to mention the entire village.

Remember when Muhammed first started preaching, in Mecca and was thrown out of Mecca, he had a dozen followers, for quite some time. Charles Manson had more than that.

When he started raiding, his ranks swelled into thousands, quickly.

Islamic countries have such a firm grip on the people, whenever dissidents show up, they are disposed of quickly.

Go to Saudi Arabia and try opening up a synagogue.
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