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Old 09-13-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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Moonsun, in your comment you stated that the Quran has never been changed, if this is so then why do Sunni Muslims use the Ibn Masud Codex of the Quran and the Shi’ite Muslims use the Uthman’s version of the Quran. If both are the same then why the difference? I know the answer, I was just wondering if you do.
the difference in pronounciation like in British/ American English . the text is one texts a letter for a letter.

Also, Muslim in general use Othmani copy ,only Shiite use thier own fabricated copies and still they are denying that they have it
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Old 09-13-2014, 09:09 AM
 
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that is exactly how the religion thrived.
People generally adopt the religions of their fathers, and to quit the religion, to go against the system, will isolate you from your own family, not to mention the entire village.

Remember when Muhammed first started preaching, in Mecca and was thrown out of Mecca, he had a dozen followers, for quite some time. Charles Manson had more than that.

When he started raiding, his ranks swelled into thousands, quickly.

Islamic countries have such a firm grip on the people, whenever dissidents show up, they are disposed of quickly.

Go to Saudi Arabia and try opening up a synagogue.

That is part of the problem. It is outsiders coming into Nations like Saudi, not even being citizens and demand to open up a house of worship. The purpose being to proselytize their religion.

Saudi is a poor example as it is an absolute Monarchy. All property belongs to the Royal Family. To open a Church, Synagogue or even a Mosque you have to get the Monarchy to donate you the land to do so. All the land is privately owned by the al-Saud family.

Now in a country that has private ownership of land that is a different issue. There are Churches and Synagogues in every Islamic Nation outside of the Arabian peninsula.

Sadly though tolerance of non-Muslims has fallen considerably in most Islamic Nations.

Until very recent times there were no shortages of Churches and Synagogues in the Islamic Nations. sadly that is no long the case. Anti-Western sentiment since 9/11 has caused a considerable back-lash against non-Muslims in some of the Islamic Nations. This is anger against the west not any teaching of Islam.
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Old 09-13-2014, 08:11 PM
 
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Non Islamic churches are protected by the state, and they pay the Jizya, and are Dhimmies, but protected.

Good examples are when an islamic country is overthrown, a leader like Saddam, who protected the Christians and jews, now became the first target when the people revert to the teachings of the religion with nobody telling them they cannot.
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Old 09-13-2014, 08:14 PM
 
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And please, no rational people would teach Islam, we are at the mercy of the leaders prostituting themselves, sacrificing the country, allowing the religion into it's boarders.
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Old 09-13-2014, 08:49 PM
 
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And please, no rational people would teach Islam, we are at the mercy of the leaders prostituting themselves, sacrificing the country, allowing the religion into it's boarders.
Same attitude Saudi has about preventing the spread of Christianity in Saudi. Seems to be for the same reasons
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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Good examples are when an islamic country is overthrown, a leader like Saddam, who protected the Christians and jews, now became the first target when the people revert to the teachings of the religion with nobody telling them they cannot.
You may want to check your sources. The highest percentage of Jews left before the fall of Saddam leaving less than 30 in 2003. Over 80% of the Christian population was gone by 1991, followed by another million or so gone by 2003 and another million since then. The Christians are currently sitting in the 200k range. They thought they were safe since they were Arabs, but in actuality have fallen into the same fate of the Jews.
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Old 09-14-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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I don't like using wiki for religious stats and oppinions but it is probably fairly accurate here.


In Iraq, Christians numbered about 1,500,000 in 2003, representing just over 5% of the population of the country. They numbered over 1.4 million in 1987 or 8% of the population.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]1[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] After the Iraq War, it was estimated that the number of Christians in Iraq had dropped to less than 450,000 by 2013[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] - with estimates as low as 200,000.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]3[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] Chaldean Catholics form the biggest group among the Christians of Iraq.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]4[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]


Immediately prior to the Gulf War, the U.S. State Department noted that while there was no recent evidence of overt persecution of Jews, but travel, particularly to Israel, was restricted, as was contact with Jewish groups abroad. In 1997, the Jerusalem Post reported that in the past five years, some 75 Jews had fled Iraq, of whom about 20 moved to Israel and the rest mostly went to the United Kingdom and Netherlands.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]24[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] In the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Jewish Agency launched an effort to track down all of the remaining Iraqi Jews to present them with an opportunity to emigrate to Israel, and found a total of 34 Jews. Six chose to emigrate, among them Ezra Levy, the father of Emad Levy, Baghdad's last rabbi.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]36[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]
After the defeat of the Ba'ath regime, the process of establishing a new democratic government began. Among the subjects for debate over the Iraqi constitution was whether Jews should be considered a minority group, or left out of the constitution altogether.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]37[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]
In October 2006, Rabbi Emad Levy announced that he was leaving for Israel and compared his life to "living in a prison". He reported that most Iraqi Jews stay in their homes "out of fear of kidnapping or execution" due to sectarian violence.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]38[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]
Present estimates of the Jewish population in Baghdad are five,[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]39[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] seven[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]40[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] or eight.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]41[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] Among the American forces stationed in Iraq, there were only three Jewish chaplains.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]42[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]
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Old 09-14-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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I don't like using wiki for religious stats and oppinions but it is probably fairly accurate here.


In Iraq, Christians numbered about 1,500,000 in 2003, representing just over 5% of the population of the country. They numbered over 1.4 million in 1987 or 8% of the population.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]1[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] After the Iraq War, it was estimated that the number of Christians in Iraq had dropped to less than 450,000 by 2013[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] - with estimates as low as 200,000.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]3[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] Chaldean Catholics form the biggest group among the Christians of Iraq.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]4[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]


Immediately prior to the Gulf War, the U.S. State Department noted that while there was no recent evidence of overt persecution of Jews, but travel, particularly to Israel, was restricted, as was contact with Jewish groups abroad. In 1997, the Jerusalem Post reported that in the past five years, some 75 Jews had fled Iraq, of whom about 20 moved to Israel and the rest mostly went to the United Kingdom and Netherlands.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]24[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] In the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Jewish Agency launched an effort to track down all of the remaining Iraqi Jews to present them with an opportunity to emigrate to Israel, and found a total of 34 Jews. Six chose to emigrate, among them Ezra Levy, the father of Emad Levy, Baghdad's last rabbi.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]36[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]
After the defeat of the Ba'ath regime, the process of establishing a new democratic government began. Among the subjects for debate over the Iraqi constitution was whether Jews should be considered a minority group, or left out of the constitution altogether.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]37[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]
In October 2006, Rabbi Emad Levy announced that he was leaving for Israel and compared his life to "living in a prison". He reported that most Iraqi Jews stay in their homes "out of fear of kidnapping or execution" due to sectarian violence.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]38[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]
Present estimates of the Jewish population in Baghdad are five,[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]39[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] seven[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]40[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] or eight.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]41[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] Among the American forces stationed in Iraq, there were only three Jewish chaplains.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]42[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]

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Old 09-14-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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TY, just learning.
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