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Old 10-25-2008, 06:24 PM
 
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More than 1400 years ago The Quran hinted that the moon is dark and its light is not its own light as the sun and the stars

The Quran uses different words when mentioning the light of the sun and the light of the moon

And also call the sun and the stars as lamp and lamps and does not call the moon lamp although the light of moon from earth is more than the light of the stars

The Quran used the word (noor in Arabic) for the light of the moon and used lamp or (dheeyaa in Arabic) for the light of the sun and used lamps for the stars

Noor and dheeya both means light but the light of noor is from indirect source and the light of dheeyaa is from a direct source

In Sura #10 Jonah verse 5

It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for her; that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). Nowise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand.

In Sura #25 Al-Furqan verse 61

Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light;

In Sura #67 Al-Mulk verse 5

And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

In Sura #71 Nooh verses 15 and 16

"'See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another,
"'And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp


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Old 10-26-2008, 06:37 PM
 
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Do you have a website link to describe the differences between Noor and Dhyeeya better?
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Old 10-27-2008, 06:20 AM
 
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Do you have a website link to describe the differences between Noor and Dhyeeya better?
i hope you will find the answer in this verse from quran either
God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His light is as if there were a niche and within it a lamp: The lamp enclosed in glass: The glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! God doth guide whom He will to His light: God doth set forth parables for men: and God doth know all things."

Qur'an 24:36

light is the translation of noor in this verse

lamp in this verse not the translation of deyaa it's the translation of "mesbah" which means lamp or burner or any source of light

nigh luminous is the translations of arabic word "yodeea" verb of "dhyeeya"

noor is used as an example for the light produced from a lamp where it placed inside a niche (deviate the light) , The lamp enclosed in glass , The glass as it were a brilliant star
my conclusion is "indirect light"

dhyeeya is used in the same verse in it's verb "yodyeea" while he talking about the fuel for this lamp which is as oil pressed from an olive tree, [which grows] in a place so medial that the sun reaches it at both the beginning and the end of the day, making its oil the purest and least opaque-so clear it almost glows by itself, without fire.

my conclusion: it is used to express " self glowing of the oil"

if there is anything unclear , you are wellcome to ask whatever you want
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:34 PM
 
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Do you have a website link to describe the differences between Noor and Dhyeeya better?

here a Professional website talk same as my post

More than fourteen centuries ago, the Ever-Glorious Qur'an indicated the difference between stars and planets exemplified in the difference between the sun and the moon.
Modern astronomers only discovered this fact recently after the telescope was invented and after applying photometric and spectrogram researches on stars and planets.
Stars are luminous celestial bodies whereas planets are dark celestial bodies that reflect the light received from stars and the sun as do all other natural satellites of the planets and (moons).
The sun is a mega atomic pile swimming very fast in space and has many various forms of light, heat, and energy. It is not just a bright disk; rather it is like a shining lamp, whereas the moon is a planet that reflects the light of the sun to lighten the night on earth.
This fact was described in these two honorable verses fourteen centuries ago, then we must ask ourselves, who told Prophet Muhammad r about it but Allah, the Most High!

The Sun is a Great Lamp, and the Moon Gives Light
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Old 10-28-2008, 06:10 PM
 
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I'm thinking of a phrase in Arabic although I know it has many different variations in the Middle East...

Tahta Tawila is it? I think that translates to "Under the Table" but has a much grander meaning in that things aren't always what they seem.

Just because a book got something right and it was written 1400 years ago does not make the entire book correct. By this standard, we could take Newton's Principia Mathematica and say that everything Newton wrote was correct just because he got a lot of stuff right 400 years ago. I fail to see how this is evidence of divinity.

And, by the way, I believe it was the Greeks who first postulated on the light of the moon being a reflection of the sun. In fact, I believe Aristotle spoke about it roughly a thousand years prior to the Koran being written.

http://books.google.com/books?id=iVk...um=5&ct=result

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Old 10-28-2008, 11:57 PM
 
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I'm thinking of a phrase in Arabic although I know it has many different variations in the Middle East...

Tahta Tawila is it? I think that translates to "Under the Table" but has a much grander meaning in that things aren't always what they seem.

Just because a book got something right and it was written 1400 years ago does not make the entire book correct. By this standard, we could take Newton's Principia Mathematica and say that everything Newton wrote was correct just because he got a lot of stuff right 400 years ago. I fail to see how this is evidence of divinity.

And, by the way, I believe it was the Greeks who first postulated on the light of the moon being a reflection of the sun. In fact, I believe Aristotle spoke about it roughly a thousand years prior to the Koran being written.

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i agree with your logic
"book got something right and it was written 1400 years ago does not make the entire book correct" .

but , do you know about possibilities ? it's mathematical concept .

i will agree with you that existence of one or two or even 10 correct verses(scientifically) dosn't necessery to prove divinity of quran

but what about if this book is full with scientific concepts , from evey kind you can imagine of sciences [Medical , physics , anatomy , universe , genetics , biology , astronomy , marine life , zoology , Botany , poetry , historically and numeric ....... etc] and 100% of these verses are correct scientifically

all of that came by illiterate man , lived in desert among pagans who claimed about himself to be prophet and quran is God's word not him

do you know that there is verse in quran , God sweared by the position of stars
the verse says
And I swear by the stars' positions-and that is a mighty oath if you(people) only knew. (Qur'an, 56:75-76)

why he didn't swear by just stars ? why he specify the position of the stars to be more greatest ?
focus on this scentific informations

when a star consumes all its fuel collapses in on itself, eventually turning into a black hole with infinite density and zero volume and an immensely powerful magnetic field. We are unable to see black holes even with the most powerful telescope, because their gravitational pull is so strong that light is unable to escape from them. However, such a collapsed star can be perceived by means of the effect it has on the surrounding area.

my point is
the stars we see in the sky by our eyes not really the stars it self , we just preceived it by means of the effect it has on the surrounding area
which means that we don't know the position of the stars(black holes) even by most powerfull telescope because the light unable to escape from gravitational pull

why in the world , man autherize a book and claims it's divinity then swear by the star's position and comment on this oath as to be mighty oath !!!!!

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Old 10-29-2008, 01:01 AM
 
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i agree with your logic
"book got something right and it was written 1400 years ago does not make the entire book correct" .

but , do you know about possibilities ? it's mathematical concept .

i will agree with you that existence of one or two or even 10 correct verses(scientifically) dosn't necessery to prove divinity of quran

but what about if this book is full with scientific concepts , from evey kind you can imagine of sciences [Medical , physics , anatomy , universe , genetics , biology , astronomy , marine life , zoology , Botany , poetry , historically and numeric ....... etc] and 100% of these verses are correct scientifically

all of that came by illiterate man , lived in desert among pagans who claimed about himself to be prophet and quran is God's word not him

do you know that there is verse in quran , God sweared by the position of stars
the verse says
And I swear by the stars' positions-and that is a mighty oath if you(people) only knew. (Qur'an, 56:75-76)

why he didn't swear by just stars ? why he specify the position of the stars to be more greatest ?
focus on this scentific informations

when a star consumes all its fuel collapses in on itself, eventually turning into a black hole with infinite density and zero volume and an immensely powerful magnetic field. We are unable to see black holes even with the most powerful telescope, because their gravitational pull is so strong that light is unable to escape from them. However, such a collapsed star can be perceived by means of the effect it has on the surrounding area.

my point is
the stars we see in the sky by our eyes not really the stars it self , we just preceived it by means of the effect it has on the surrounding area
which means that we don't know the position of the stars(black holes) even by most powerfull telescope because the light unable to escape from gravitational pull

why in the world , man autherize a book and claims it's divinity then swear by the star's position and comment on this oath as to be mighty oath !!!!!
I see where you are going with this but I have to be honest and tell you that much of what you're explaining was written by the Greeks a thousand years prior to the Qu'ran ever being written.

It's no secret that first the Greeks and then the Romans had a vast influence on the Middle East - especially in the areas that dawned three of the largest religions in the world (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity). And, might I add that it's widely speculated that the Egyptians (your home countrymen) were responsible for instilling much of the knowledge the Greeks had about not only the cosmos but also about much of the sciences we see here on Earth up to and including many of the ones you pointed out that the Qu'ran got right but they did so centuries earlier than the Archangel Gabrielle ever allegedly revealed herself to Muhammad.

But, aside from that, elwill, I have been reading a book recently that discussed Sahih Al-Bukhari who wrote some of the fundamental tenants of the Sixth Hadiths and if I'm not mistaken one of the Hadiths that modern Muslims most strongly agree with. Correct me if I'm wrong as I am still learning.

I was wondering how you reconcile Al-Bukhari's Hadith with modern day society and do you think that the Muslim world will be better or worse off in following those Hadith codes?

Ma'assalama!
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:00 AM
 
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I see where you are going with this but I have to be honest and tell you that much of what you're explaining was written by the Greeks a thousand years prior to the Qu'ran ever being written.

It's no secret that first the Greeks and then the Romans had a vast influence on the Middle East - especially in the areas that dawned three of the largest religions in the world (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity). And, might I add that it's widely speculated that the Egyptians (your home countrymen) were responsible for instilling much of the knowledge the Greeks had about not only the cosmos but also about much of the sciences we see here on Earth up to and including many of the ones you pointed out that the Qu'ran got right but they did so centuries earlier than the Archangel Gabrielle ever allegedly revealed herself to Muhammad.
there's no proof at all that this region of arabia since 1400 years ago knew somthing about greek science

but your assumptions make me wonder why the bible for example contains scientific errors , though it's ancient manuscripts are in greek ?

afterall i can give you hundreds of miracles , which impossible to known by anyone before mohammed (pbuh)
for example
1- splitting of the moon
2- prophecy of sunrise of the sun from it's east


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But, aside from that, elwill, I have been reading a book recently that discussed Sahih Al-Bukhari who wrote some of the fundamental tenants of the Sixth Hadiths and if I'm not mistaken one of the Hadiths that modern Muslims most strongly agree with. Correct me if I'm wrong as I am still learning.

I was wondering how you reconcile Al-Bukhari's Hadith with modern day society and do you think that the Muslim world will be better or worse off in following those Hadith codes?

Ma'assalama!
sorry , i didn't relize your question , can you reform it?
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:04 PM
 
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Do you have a website link to describe the differences between Noor and Dhyeeya better?

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Old 10-31-2008, 02:53 PM
 
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Another scientific fact regarding the moon and the sun in the Quran,
but this time was not hinted by the Quran but it was directly said .

The sun is bigger than the moon although they look the same from earth and some times the moon looks bigger.

Sura #6 Al-Anaam The cattle

(76) And when he saw the moon uprising, he exclaimed: This is my Lord. But when it set, he said:
Unless my Lord guide me, I surely shall become one of the folk who are astray.


(77) And when he saw the sun uprising, he cried: This is my Lord! This is greater! And when it set he exclaimed: O my people! Lo! I am free from all that ye associate (with Him).


(78) Lo! I have turned my face toward Him Who created the heavens and the earth, as one by nature upright, and I am not of the idolaters.
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