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Old 10-29-2008, 08:28 AM
 
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i think that stonning is horrible
Agreed

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, but we trust our God and we are sure that he know nature of humanity very well , so that his laws is perfect to bring peace to society
Then you must also accept that civilized people of the world will continue to condemn your religion. Sorry.. thats just the case. God or not.. its barbaric.

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In the west, adultery has become so commonplace because of sexual freedoms
Don't make this about the west. This has nothing to do with the west.

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- all the emphasis these days seems to be on finding sexual satisfaction;
Your opinion.

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in Muslim societies, there is far less emphasis on sex
Instead there is an emphasis on stoning. I prefer sex to stoning (all though getting stoned is nice).

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- it is usually regarded as a weakness that can lead to all sorts of trouble. Family is far more important
I wonder what that girls family thought as stones were piercing her skin. My what a glorious time!

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the notion of a million unborn children per year being aborted, and single mothers, is abhorrent in Islam.
at least we don't stone the aborted or the mothers.

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btw , you are wellcome with your openion
thanks for the head up. do you know why I'm welcome to my opinion? Cause I don't live under Sharia law.

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but islam more care about society , islam care most to prohibit these behaviours which effect on society in the first place
Yet after thousands of years.. you still must hand out punishments like stoning. It doesn't seem like an effective deterrent. Maybe its time to try something new. There is a phrase in the evil west that goes something like "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome".

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i see it different culture , more effective laws , more peacefull society and more healthy society
I too see a different culture. Effective laws.. thats pretty subjective. Peaceful.. are people peaceful if they are forced to be peaceful? Thats a good question. Healthy? I imagine stones being lodged in my forehead isn't the picture of health I'd like to have.


Again, there is no defense of stoning. None whatsoever. Zero. You can say "God" tell us to all you want. However, I'm just telling you that by stoning people and condoning such behavior will lead many in the West to have a very very very poor idea of what Islam is.

Do you disagree with my statement?
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Old 10-29-2008, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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It takes two to tango. Was the man she committed adultery with stoned to death?
I agree, what happened to the men and what kind of punishment were they given? A woman cannot commit adultery without a man, so what's the punishment for the men?
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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and people wonder why people like me hate islam. 3 comments i have seen (presumably from muslims) has justified the barbaric act, said its better then our system and agian justified it.. and people wonder why we make stereotypes..
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:34 AM
 
Location: egypt
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Then you must also accept that civilized people of the world will continue to condemn your religion. Sorry.. thats just the case. God or not.. its barbaric.
honestly , it does change nothing , we can't alter the commands of our God to satisfy anyone else
but to be fair they need to condemn old testament either

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Don't make this about the west. This has nothing to do with the west.
i thought that you need to understand the cultures of others , i just meant to give big difference in your culture and ours
it's okey to practise adultery in west's culture , it isn't in muslims's culture .

that's why you see it disgusting to punish adulterers in the first place , am i wrong ?


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Instead there is an emphasis on stoning. I prefer sex to stoning (all though getting stoned is nice).
this punishment excuted for married people only , tell me again are you prefer to betray your spouse

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I wonder what that girls family thought as stones were piercing her skin. My what a glorious time!
agreed


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at least we don't stone the aborted or the mothers.
we either
what do you mean by 'we" are you refer to your relegion or your secular government ?

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thanks for the head up. do you know why I'm welcome to my opinion? Cause I don't live under Sharia law.
it's offense
anyway, as long as you know shariah very well
can you please enlighten me how shariah law prohibit you from your openion ? and give me islamic sources which support you
thanx


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Yet after thousands of years.. you still must hand out punishments like stoning. It doesn't seem like an effective deterrent. Maybe its time to try something new. There is a phrase in the evil west that goes something like "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome".
it's effective for two reaasons
1- if shariah law established within muslims society , this kind of punishment will not excuted ever , because no one will betray his spouse in public without or with existence of these laws
2- it will prevent the society to be influenced by this behaviours


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I too see a different culture. Effective laws.. thats pretty subjective.
practically , we have with our article stonning punishment which excuted for the first time ever , and they said that she wanted that by her self as an repentence for her God
if they are liars , and they punished her without four witness , so the wrath of God will be in them

so this kind of punishment are under controll , i can say that it's almost impossible to fulfill the conditions of stonning punishment according to shariah
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Peaceful.. are people peaceful if they are forced to be peaceful? Thats a good question. Healthy? I imagine stones being lodged in my forehead isn't the picture of health I'd like to have.
surely , isn't your laws forced you to not kill , rape or theft ?
by the way i'm talking about peace of innocents and society not guilty ones


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Again, there is no defense of stoning. None whatsoever. Zero. You can say "God" tell us to all you want. However, I'm just telling you that by stoning people and condoning such behavior will lead many in the West to have a very very very poor idea of what Islam is.

Do you disagree with my statement?
if they ignored the entire relegion and focused in the punishments of crimers in islam which are rarely executed , and dosn't open thier mind to undertand the purpose from it in the sight of islam , and didn't imagine the postive side of these laws , hence they will have very poor idea about islam
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:47 AM
 
Location: egypt
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I agree, what happened to the men and what kind of punishment were they given? A woman cannot commit adultery without a man, so what's the punishment for the men?
in islam , the man deserve the same punishment if he is married and thier are 4 witnesses on his sexual intercourse
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:12 PM
 
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in islam , the man deserve the same punishment if he is married and thier are 4 witnesses on his sexual intercourse
So, are there any witnesses needed for the woman to be caught? If not, then barring the filiming of a porn movie, it will always be the woman who will be stoned to death - I cannot see how 4 people will gather around there for a beer and a sex act. How fair is this - looks like the laws were made by men, for men!
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:21 PM
 
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Imagine stones squishing your eyeballs out of their sockets. Imagine stones penetrating your temple. Imagine stones tearing the skin off your face and scalp.

Betraying your spouse is wrong for sure, but no where near worth such a cruel punishment.
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:37 PM
 
Location: egypt
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So, are there any witnesses needed for the woman to be caught? If not, then barring the filiming of a porn movie, it will always be the woman who will be stoned to death - I cannot see how 4 people will gather around there for a beer and a sex act. How fair is this - looks like the laws were made by men, for men!
you didn't read my posts brother
punishment of adultery need 4 witness to be executed ( whether men or women)
woman also need 4 witnesses

and you are right , it means that you will need filming movie or need them make it in openly places shamelessly so that 4 persons see them and witness against them
and that's exactly what islam need to prevent
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:45 PM
 
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you didn't read my posts brother
punishment of adultery need 4 witness to be executed ( whether men or women)
woman also need 4 witnesses
So, presuming 4 witnesses were there, was the man also stoned to death? Does not make it right - just asking.

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Old 10-29-2008, 12:56 PM
 
Location: egypt
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Imagine stones squishing your eyeballs out of their sockets. Imagine stones penetrating your temple. Imagine stones tearing the skin off your face and scalp.

Betraying your spouse is wrong for sure, but no where near worth such a cruel punishment.

this kind of punishment will not excuted ever , because no one will betray his spouse in public particularly in muslims society without or with existence of these laws
so this kind of punishment is under controll , i can say that it's almost impossible to find crime fulfill the conditions of death punishment for adulterers according to shariah


islam existing for 1400 years , how many stonning punishment you heared about through those 1400 years from history ?

anyone can imagine how awfull is the stonning punishment , but don't let me feel that muslims stone women every day
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