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Old 12-14-2008, 09:04 AM
 
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elwill, I owe you an apology...I have been misinformed, but through this conversation with you I have learned much. Even though I detest FGM I cannot put the blame entirely on Islam, although it seems that many Muslims have adopted the practice.

FGM: A cultural not a religious practice:

This mutilating operation is often associated mainly with the religion of Islam. This is incorrect. FGM is primarily a social practice, not a religious one. Female genital mutilation predated Islam. It originated in Africa and remains today a mainly African cultural practice. Some indicators of this are:
* It is widely practiced in countries where the predominant religion is Christianity: Examples are Ethiopia and Kenya.
* In multi-faith countries, it is often forced on girls whose families follow all faiths: Animism religions, Christianity, and Islam. For example, it is frequently practiced among both Muslims, Christians and Animists in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sierra Leone, and Sudan. 1
* FGM was once practiced by Ethiopian Jews (a.k.a. Beta Isreal; formerly known by the derogatory term "Falashas"). 2, 3, 4.5 This practiced was apparently discontinued some time ago. A pediatrician who works in the Beta Israel community claims that they no do not practice FGM in Israel. Also, their daughters who were born in Ethiopia were not mutilated. 6
* FGM has spread to countries in or near Africa (e.g. Egypt) which are Muslim. But FGM is rare or nonexistent in many other Muslim countries. Examples are Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Turkey. Also, It is not done in the Maghreb countries of Northwest Africa.
* FGM is only occasionally found in Indonesia and other predominately Muslim countries in Asia.

One of the motivations for this essay is the misperception by many people that the practice is a religious one. That belief has led to unjustified religious intolerance against Muslims.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm1.htm

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Old 12-14-2008, 09:16 AM
 
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is honor killing committed against males ?
i don't know? But if it isn't, why isn't it committed against males?
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:51 PM
 
Location: egypt
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elwill, I owe you an apology...I have been misinformed, but through this conversation with you I have learned much. Even though I detest FGM I cannot put the blame entirely on Islam, although it seems that many Muslims have adopted the practice.

FGM: A cultural not a religious practice:

This mutilating operation is often associated mainly with the religion of Islam. This is incorrect. FGM is primarily a social practice, not a religious one. Female genital mutilation predated Islam. It originated in Africa and remains today a mainly African cultural practice. Some indicators of this are:
* It is widely practiced in countries where the predominant religion is Christianity: Examples are Ethiopia and Kenya.
* In multi-faith countries, it is often forced on girls whose families follow all faiths: Animism religions, Christianity, and Islam. For example, it is frequently practiced among both Muslims, Christians and Animists in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sierra Leone, and Sudan. 1
* FGM was once practiced by Ethiopian Jews (a.k.a. Beta Isreal; formerly known by the derogatory term "Falashas"). 2, 3, 4.5 This practiced was apparently discontinued some time ago. A pediatrician who works in the Beta Israel community claims that they no do not practice FGM in Israel. Also, their daughters who were born in Ethiopia were not mutilated. 6
* FGM has spread to countries in or near Africa (e.g. Egypt) which are Muslim. But FGM is rare or nonexistent in many other Muslim countries. Examples are Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Turkey. Also, It is not done in the Maghreb countries of Northwest Africa.
* FGM is only occasionally found in Indonesia and other predominately Muslim countries in Asia.

One of the motivations for this essay is the misperception by many people that the practice is a religious one. That belief has led to unjustified religious intolerance against Muslims.

FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION FEMALE (CIRCUMCISION) IN AFRICA, MIDDLE EAST AND FAR EAST
thank you for ending the discussion with these kindly words , and i'm very happy from the fruits and knowledge we exchanged from this discussion

peace
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Old 12-14-2008, 02:06 PM
 
Location: egypt
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i don't know? But if it isn't, why isn't it committed against males?
my personal thoughts is
because committing adultery by males dosn't bring the shame for the family as females

females looses thier virginity and bear childrens when they commit such behaviour without marriage

so that the situation is most sensitive according to females
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Old 12-14-2008, 04:21 PM
 
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because committing adultery by males dosn't bring the shame for the family as females

females looses thier virginity and bear childrens when they commit such behaviour without marriage

so that the situation is most sensitive according to females
but males can lose their virginity and become fathers, too? I guess it's just plain sexism.
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Old 12-14-2008, 04:27 PM
 
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It is pretty well know that Muslim women are oppressed...Islam is a patriarchy.
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:48 PM
 
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It is pretty well know that Muslim women are oppressed...Islam is a patriarchy.
our women dosn't complain
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:58 PM
 
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but males can lose their virginity and become fathers, too? I guess it's just plain sexism.
i meant hymen

you can't imagine different cultures

the adultery is very sinfull behaviour in our society
imagine then the father suddenly find out that his daughter pregnant !!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-14-2008, 11:39 PM
 
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our women dosn't complain
They probably don't dare to complain.
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Old 12-14-2008, 11:54 PM
 
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They probably don't dare to complain.
you are very kind to take the responsibility to complain instead of them
thank you very much for your kindness
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