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Old 01-23-2009, 12:53 AM
 
Location: egypt
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ok, so elwill's unclear english is the fault here. To me,
sounds like "ask her. She is a muslim female. She knows what muslim females go through," ie ask you as an example.

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This.
i apologize for that

my intendence was just to say to you : lets not to ask nonmuslims about what muslim females feel , i myself didn't give you my openion because i'm not female , but i asked you to ask mommytotwo ( female muslim convert )

to be fair you should to ask a muslim woman herself about her feels instead of to know it from anti_islamic media

see this vedio , he says what i meant to say

YouTube - Islamic Teaching : Woman According to...
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Old 01-23-2009, 02:19 AM
 
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so to what extent, as a muslim woman, do you have rights?
In most Islamic countries, if the women tried to speak like they do here on-line, they would be beaten and told to shut up. Remember, a woman cannot even drive a car in Saudi Arabia.

Women's Rights and Islam are polar opposites.
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Old 01-23-2009, 02:29 AM
 
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i apologize for that
no need to
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Old 01-23-2009, 02:56 AM
 
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In most Islamic countries, if the women tried to speak like they do here on-line, they would be beaten and told to shut up. Remember, a woman cannot even drive a car in Saudi Arabia.

Women's Rights and Islam are polar opposites.
okey , tell me why they cannot even drive a car ?
i really don't know why , i'm raised as a muslim and i lives in muslim society and i know my relegion very well
and guess what ?
i never heared any muslims or any shaihk said that women prohibited to even drive a car in islam

did you ask saudi why ? did they said to you that it's the commands of allah ?!! (just curious )

is there any other countries prohibited women from drive ?
can you be more objective !!!!!
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:21 AM
 
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okey , tell me why they cannot even drive a car ?
i really don't know why , i'm raised as a muslim and i lives in muslim society and i know my relegion very well
and guess what ?
i never heared any muslims or any shaihk said that women prohibited to even drive a car in islam

did you ask saudi why ? did they said to you that it's the commands of allah ?!! (just curious )

is there any other countries prohibited women from drive ?
can you be more objective !!!!!
The answer is simple. Islam/The Koran is a religion and book that makes women a form of property. The purpose of women is to serve men, breed and have children, to keep their mouths closed and to have as many kids as possible.

Even the son of Hamas' founder, Mosab Hassan Yousef, left Islam and stated that anyone who follows Islam is crazy.
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:31 AM
 
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did you ask saudi why ?
isn't it because they practice Wahabism while you probably don't?
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Old 01-23-2009, 09:12 AM
 
Location: mass
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The answer is simple. Islam/The Koran is a religion and book that makes women a form of property. The purpose of women is to serve men, breed and have children, to keep their mouths closed and to have as many kids as possible.

Even the son of Hamas' founder, Mosab Hassan Yousef, left Islam and stated that anyone who follows Islam is crazy.
Ok, lbear, you've come into this thread, with no apparent opinion that you have stated thus far on the actual topic of the thread.

Why don't you back up your above statement about women being property, if you don't mind. where in the Quran does it say that women are a form of property whose purpose is to serve men and breed and have as many children as possible?
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Old 01-23-2009, 09:37 AM
 
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isn't it because they practice Wahabism while you probably don't?
that could be why they don't allow women to drive but what elwill is trying to say is there is no justification in the Quran for women not being able to drive.

I don't know a lot about the Wahabis but they are very, very strict. I am sure the Saudi Gov't has some twisted religious reason for this ban. I think it's just to limit their freedom of movement, if you ask me.

then again, depending on what they are requiring a woman to wear, maybe that plays a part. While I think a headscarf would not hinder driving, completely covering the head with only a slit for the eyes seems like it might diminsh the range of vision. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable driving like that.

I have heard that women can drive outside the cities there??

Makes no sense to me.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:43 AM
 
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so to what extent, as a muslim woman, do you have rights?
I have the same rights I did before I was muslim.

A couple of extra, I got a "dowry" when I got married. If I get a divorce, I get the same amount when I get divorced. (or double, I can't remember) My DH HAS to provide my necessities and the necessities of the family. There are others but they are really basic rights (that were exceptional for women 1400 years ago) in the current time.

I can go on and on about the rights I have as a Muslim female but they are rights for the most part I already enjoyed. My DH and I don't do research to figure out how I should be treated. We treat each other with mutual respect, and like human beings.

If my life was extremely different before and after being a muslim, I'd be able to tell you more about the differences.

I just so happen to be American and Muslim. If you ask Muslim women from various places and from varying levels of adherence to the religion and followers of varying schools of thought, you are going to get a variety of different answers.
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