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Old 02-23-2009, 05:28 AM
 
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If I were to tell you that I will not convert to Islam, and you knew you could not convert me, would Muhammad or the Qur'an allow you to kill me?
No.

There were christians at the time of the prophet (prayer and peace be upon him) and they prayed in His mosque as well.

If you disbelieve in one of the messengers of God, then you disbelieve in all of them for all of them had the same messege that is to believe in God and His Oneness and that God has no partners.

You christian deny that fact and claim a false statement against God and you associate other with Him as partners, Glorified and Exalted be God Above what you describe.

And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Nay, but (we follow) the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the Mushrikeen (those who ascribe partners to God). (135)

[SIZE=2]Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered. (136)[/SIZE]
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Old 02-23-2009, 06:09 AM
 
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I DON'T belive the Bible to be the word of God, and I can (and Have Already) Proven that it is not nor can it be.
I do not know the Quran well enough to say though, but I have read it enough to see that it has the same God, same Characters and same basic teachings. But the Quran at least makes the claim on itself to being the Word of God which the Bible does not
SO who knows? (or cares?) There are stranger things in the universe than that or me ...........
In your own eyes maybe.

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Wrong. Matthew wrote a book and was one of his apostles. John wrote 5 books and was his apostle. Peter wrote 2 books and was his apostle. All three were eyewitnesses to his ministry. The last book of my Bible, the book of Revelation, was written by John around A.D. 81 - 96, almost 500 years before Muhammad's birth.
Thank you for this. I missed his comment about none knowing Jesus.
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Old 02-23-2009, 07:46 AM
 
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I DON'T belive the Bible to be the word of God, and I can (and Have Already) Proven that it is not nor can it be.
the bible has a human touch and a human wording
and the human make mistakes

the quran does not have a human touch and does not have a human wording

only words from God

the more you read it the more you are sure about it

and you will never be able to find any error because God does not make errors

but the main point is to believe and practice otherwise it does not make any different if you can find any errors .
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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Talking to a muslim is like talking to an atheist. Since they don't believe the Bible to be the Word of God, it's hard to get anywhere with them. It's the same for them with us though, we don't believe the Quran is the Word of God, so why would we listen to what they say?
the atheist do not have a book from God

but we have a book from God and it is final and we believe in jesus

you could say that we do not believe in jesus the way you believe in him

but you know that the christians them selves they do not have one word about him .
before the NT there was the OT

how come you accepted the NT after the OT and you do not accept the LT after the NT
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Old 02-23-2009, 09:14 AM
 
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If I were to tell you that I will not convert to Islam, and you knew you could not convert me, would Muhammad or the Qur'an allow you to kill me?
There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
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Old 02-23-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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the atheist do not have a book from God
I know that.


but we have a book from God and it is final and we believe in jesus
You believe it's from God, Christians do not.


you could say that we do not believe in jesus the way you believe in him
You're right, you don't.


but you know that the christians them selves they do not have one word about him .
Do not have one word about him? What?


before the NT there was the OT
how come you accepted the NT after the OT and you do not accept the LT after the NT
Because the NT fulfills the OT, the Quran contradicts the Bible.
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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the bible has a human touch and a human wording
and the human make mistakes

the quran does not have a human touch and does not have a human wording

only words from God

the more you read it the more you are sure about it

and you will never be able to find any error because God does not make errors

but the main point is to believe and practice otherwise it does not make any different if you can find any errors .
I'm not educated on the Quran but it seems to me that a human must have written the words in it.

Additionally, Christians believe that all of the books of the Bible were written by humans, and that the books are the word of God. There is no error or "mistakes" in the word of God. Because there is no error in the word of God, there is no error or "mistakes" in the Bible books.
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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the atheist do not have a book from God

but we have a book from God and it is final and we believe in jesus

you could say that we do not believe in jesus the way you believe in him

but you know that the christians them selves they do not have one word about him .
before the NT there was the OT

how come you accepted the NT after the OT and you do not accept the LT after the NT
As Christians, we have many, many words about him. I wrote this yesterday on the site--
"Matthew wrote a book and was one of his apostles. John wrote 5 books and was his apostle. Peter wrote 2 books and was his apostle. All three were eyewitnesses to his ministry. The last book of my Bible, the book of Revelation, was written by John around A.D. 81 - 96, almost 500 years before Muhammad's birth."
I also quited Bible versus where it shows Jesus is the Son of God. I could also quote many, many more versus where Jesus claims to be Messiah, Son of God, Bread of Life, Salvation for Many, etc.....

Christians don't accept the "LT" (I beleive you mean Quoran?) because it denies that Jesus is the only Son of God.
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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called essa in arabic

Islam honors all the prophets who were sent to mankind. Muslims respect all prophets in general, but Jesus in particular, because he was one of the prophets who foretold the coming of Muhammad. Muslims, too, await the second coming of Jesus. They consider him one of the greatest of Allah's prophets to mankind. A Muslim does not refer to him simply as "Jesus," but normally adds the phrase "peace be upon him" as a sign of respect.
No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus as Islam does. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Qur'an is entitled "Mary"), and Mary is considered to have been one of the purest women in all creation. The Qur'an describes Jesus' birth as follows:
"Behold!' the Angel said, God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: "My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?
He said: "Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing,
He says to it, 'Be!' and it is." [SIZE=1][3:42-47

Muslims believe that Jesus was born immaculately, and through the same power which had brought Eve to life and Adam into being without a father or a mother.
"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." [3:59][
During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. The Qur'an tells us that he said:
"I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by God's leave." [3:49]
]Muhammad and Jesus, as well as the other prophets, were sent to confirm the belief in one God. This is referred to in the Qur'an where Jesus is reported as saying that he came:

"To attest the law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me." [3:50]

Prophet Muhammad emphasized the importance of Jesus by saying:
"Whoever believes there is no god but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is a servant and messenger of God, His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by God into Heaven. [Bukhari]

Too bad you don't understand who Jesus is...whether or not you respect him.
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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Too bad you don't understand who Jesus is...whether or not you respect him.

and even worse you do not have the palest shimmer of mysticism.
and hence, no respect either.
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