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Old 01-30-2009, 07:43 AM
 
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you are trying to convert the Atheists to be believers and you just say things with no proof and just by thinking

a fair person would distinguish the words and the style that coms from God from the one that come from a man

the kids can read any verse from the Quran

but the Bible has things only for adults

the koran was written some 1500-2000 years after the book of Genesis.

muhammed plagiarized it when writing the koran, adding some new twists to the stories.
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Old 01-30-2009, 07:51 AM
 
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the koran was written some 1500-2000 years after the book of Genesis.

muhammed plagiarized it when writing the koran, adding some new twists to the stories.
what is the source of the book of Genesis?
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Old 01-30-2009, 07:57 AM
 
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Moses.
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:07 AM
 
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Moses.

and the Prophet Moses peace be upon him got it from God.

same thing The prophet mahammad peace be upon him also got it from God
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:08 PM
 
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Moses.
Actually the source of the book of genesis was Enuma Elish the much earlier Babylonian creation myth.
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Old 01-31-2009, 05:30 AM
 
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81 Return unto your father and say: O our father! Lo! thy son hath stolen. We testify only to that which we know; we are not guardians of the Unseen.

82 Ask the township where we were, and the caravan with which we travelled hither. Lo! we speak the truth.

83 (And when they came unto their father and had spoken thus to him) he said: Nay, but your minds have beguiled you into something. (My course is) comely patience! It may be that Allah will bring them all unto me. Lo! He, only He, is the Knower, the Wise.

84 And he turned away from them and said: Alas, my grief for Joseph! And his eyes were whitened with the sorrow that he was suppressing.

85 They said: By Allah, thou wilt never cease remembering Joseph till thy health is ruined or thou art of those who perish!

86 He said: I expose my distress and anguish only unto Allah, and I know from Allah that which ye know not.

87 Go, O my sons, and ascertain concerning Joseph and his brother, and despair not of the Spirit of Allah. Lo! none despaireth of the Spirit of Allah save disbelieving folk.

88 And when they came (again) before him (Joseph) they said: O ruler! Misfortune hath touched us and our folk, and we bring but poor merchandise, so fill for us the measure and be charitable unto us. Lo! Allah will requite the charitable,

89 He said: Know ye what ye did unto Joseph and his brother in your ignorance?

90 They said: Is it indeed thou who art Joseph? He said: I am Joseph and this is my brother. Allah hath shown us favour. Lo! he who wardeth off (evil) and endureth (findeth favour); for lo! Allah loseth not the wages of the kindly.

91 They said: By Allah, verily Allah hath preferred thee above us, and we were indeed sinful.

92 He said: Have no fear this day! May Allah forgive you, and He is the Most Merciful of those who show mercy.

93 Go with this shirt of mine and lay it on my father's face, he will become (again) a seer; and come to me with all your folk.

94 When the caravan departed their father had said: Truly I am conscious of the breath of Joseph, though ye call me dotard.

95 (Those around him) said: By Allah, lo! thou art in thine old aberration.

96 Then, when the bearer of glad tidings came, he laid it on his face and he became a seer once more. He said: Said I not unto you that I know from Allah that which ye know not?

97 They said: O our father! Ask forgiveness of our sins for us, for lo! we were sinful.

98 ....
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Old 01-31-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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98 He said: "Soon will I ask my Lord for forgiveness for you: for he is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

99 Then when they entered the presence of Joseph, he provided a home for his parents with himself, and said: "Enter ye Egypt (all) in safety if it please Allah."

100 And he raised his parents high on the throne (of dignity), and they fell down in prostration, (all) before him. He said: "O my father! this is the fulfilment of my vision of old! Allah hath made it come true! He was indeed good to me when He took me out of prison and brought you (all here) out of the desert, (even) after Satan had sown enmity between me and my brothers. Verily my Lord understandeth best the mysteries of all that He planneth to do, for verily He is full of knowledge and wisdom.

101 "O my Lord! Thou hast indeed bestowed on me some power, and taught me something of the interpretation of dreams and events,- O Thou Creator of the heavens and the earth! Thou art my Protector in this world and in the Hereafter. Take Thou my soul (at death) as one submitting to Thy will (as a Muslim), and unite me with the righteous."

102 Such is one of the stories of what happened unseen, which We reveal by inspiration unto thee; nor wast thou (present) with them then when they concerted their plans together in the process of weaving their plots.

103 Yet no faith will the greater part of mankind have, however ardently thou dost desire it.

104 And no reward dost thou ask of them for this: it is no less than a message for all creatures.

105 And how many Signs in the heavens and the earth do they pass by? Yet they turn (their faces) away from them!

106 And most of them believe not in Allah without associating (other as partners) with Him!

107 Do they then feel secure from the coming against them of the covering veil of the wrath of Allah,- or of the coming against them of the (final) Hour all of a sudden while they perceive not?

108 Say thou: "This is my way: I do invite unto Allah,- on evidence clear as the seeing with one's eyes,- I and whoever follows me. Glory to Allah. and never will I join gods with Allah."

109 Nor did We send before thee (as apostles) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand?

110 (Respite will be granted) until, when the apostles give up hope (of their people) and (come to) think that they were treated as liars, there reaches them Our help, and those whom We will are delivered into safety. But never will be warded off our punishment from those who are in sin.

111 There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe.
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Old 01-31-2009, 06:43 PM
 
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Tell us the truth: you just like posting all these quotations, don't you?
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Old 01-31-2009, 06:44 PM
 
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It is quite possible that the koran is a plagarized work, it is also just as possible that the new testament is also a plagarized work. It is the same mythological beastie in both accounts, (actually all three, gotta keep the old testament in there too) each of these so-called "holy" works is built upon the writings of others. I guess since copywrite laws had not been penned so long ago, that he act of stealing ideas was not considered a sin. This may just be one of those " let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" type of thing. How come religions spend so much time pointing fingers at everyone else?
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:55 PM
 
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How come religions spend so much time pointing fingers at everyone else?

Now that my friend is the question of the ages!
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