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Old 01-28-2009, 05:44 AM
 
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the story starts from verse 4

of course interpretation of the meaning


1 A.L.R. These are the symbols (or Verses) of the perspicuous Book.
2 We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom.
3 We do relate unto thee the most beautiful of stories, in that We reveal to thee this (portion of the) Qur'an: before this, thou too was among those who knew it not.

4 Behold! Joseph said to his father: "O my father! I did see eleven stars and the sun and the moon: I saw them prostrate themselves to me!"
5 Said (the father): "My (dear) little son! relate not thy vision to thy brothers, lest they concoct a plot against thee: for Satan is to man an avowed enemy!
6 "Thus will thy Lord choose thee and teach thee the interpretation of stories (and events) and perfect His favour to thee and to the posterity of Jacob - even as He perfected it to thy fathers Abraham and Isaac aforetime! for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom."

7 Verily in Joseph and his brethren are signs (or symbols) for seekers (after Truth).
8 They said: "Truly Joseph and his brother are loved more by our father than we: But we are a goodly body! really our father is obviously wandering (in his mind)!
9 "Slay ye Joseph or cast him out to some (unknown) land, that so the favour of your father may be given to you alone: (there will be time enough) for you to be righteous after that!"
10 Said one of them: "Slay not Joseph, but if ye must do something, throw him down to the bottom of the well: he will be picked up by some caravan of travellers."

11 They said: "O our father! why dost thou not trust us with Joseph,- seeing we are indeed his sincere well-wishers?
12 "Send him with us tomorrow to enjoy himself and play, and we shall take every care of him."
13 (Jacob) said: "Really it saddens me that ye should take him away: I fear lest the wolf should devour him while ye attend not to him."
14 They said: "If the wolf were to devour him while we are (so large) a party, then should we indeed (first) have perished ourselves!"

15 So they did take him away, and they all agreed to throw him down to the bottom of the well: and We put into his heart (this Message): 'Of a surety thou shalt (one day) tell them the truth of this their affair while they know (thee) not'
16 Then they came to their father in the early part of the night, weeping.

17 They said: "O our father! We went racing with one another, and left Joseph with our things; and the wolf devoured him.... But thou wilt never believe us even though we tell the truth."
18 They stained his shirt with false blood. He said: "Nay, but your minds have made up a tale (that may pass) with you, (for me) patience is most fitting: Against that which ye assert, it is Allah (alone) Whose help can be sought"..

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Old 01-28-2009, 05:50 AM
 
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plagiarism, if you ask me.
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Old 01-28-2009, 07:05 AM
 
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plagiarism, if you ask me.

the people of the prophet Mahammad prayer and peace upon him told him if you want us to believe then divide this moon into 2 parts

and he did that

but there hearts still locked and they did not accept that as a proof and they said it is magic.


Relatively you did the same

i do not know about the current Bible

but i believe that there are books from God to Moses and Jesus prayer and peace upon them

do you think that God will say the same story not the same as he said it be before

you accept the OT and NT why do not you accept LT
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Old 01-28-2009, 07:44 AM
 
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you accept the OT and NT why do not you accept LT
Why would we? the LT is not canon, was written hundreds of years after the Jewish and Christian testaments. If I changed Alice in Wonderland from a girl following a white rabbit into a hole in the ground to a boy following a brown squirrel up a tree, would I have created a new story? Or simply plagiarized and paraphrased the original story?
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Old 01-28-2009, 07:50 AM
 
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Why would we? the LT is not canon, was written hundreds of years after the Jewish and Christian testaments. If I changed Alice in Wonderland from a girl following a white rabbit into a hole in the ground to a boy following a brown squirrel up a tree, would I have created a new story? Or simply plagiarized and paraphrased the original story?
What is the LT?
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Old 01-28-2009, 07:55 AM
 
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Why would we? the LT is not canon, was written hundreds of years after the Jewish and Christian testaments. If I changed Alice in Wonderland from a girl following a white rabbit into a hole in the ground to a boy following a brown squirrel up a tree, would I have created a new story? Or simply plagiarized and paraphrased the original story?
LOL!
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Old 01-28-2009, 08:03 AM
 
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What is the LT?


what is OT and NT ?

LT i created my self and by it i mean the last holy book the quran


i thought that OT and NT means old and new testaments


i am sorry if was wrong
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Old 01-28-2009, 08:13 AM
 
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what is OT and NT ?

LT i created my self and by it i mean the last holy book the quran
I assumed that is what you meant, however I disagree that it is a last testament. Several have been written since the NT was assembled. The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Watchtower are three that come to mind. I tend to discount all three as religious scripture wannabes. That they take Jewish tradition to try and give their works credibility is obvious. That they use the stories and traditions of the ancient Jewish people is also evidence of plagiarism. I don't consider the Bible/OT to be plagiarized simply because the guys who wrote the stories and handed them down WERE Jews. Jesus WAS a Jew. So was Paul, Peter, John, etc.......Mohammed was NOT. He stole the stories from another people other than his own. Thus, while his stories are interesting, and they are relevant to a large number of people, I find them irrelevant so far as my spiritual life is concerned.
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Old 01-28-2009, 09:58 AM
 
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19 Then there came a caravan of travellers: they sent their water-carrier (for water), and he let down his bucket (into the well)...He said: "Ah there! Good news! Here is a (fine) young man!" So they concealed him as a treasure! But Allah knoweth well all that they do!
20 The (Brethren) sold him for a miserable price, for a few dirhams counted out: in such low estimation did they hold him!

21 The man in Egypt who bought him, said to his wife: "Make his stay (among us) honourable: may be he will bring us much good, or we shall adopt him as a son." Thus did We establish Joseph in the land, that We might teach him the interpretation of stories (and events). And Allah hath full power and control over His affairs; but most among mankind know it not.
22 When Joseph attained His full manhood, We gave him power and knowledge: thus do We reward those who do right.

23 But she in whose house he was, sought to seduce him from his (true) self: she fastened the doors, and said: "Now come, thou (dear one)!" He said: "(Allah) forbid! truly (thy husband) is my lord! he made my sojourn agreeable! truly to no good come those who do wrong!"
24 And (with passion) did she desire him, and he would have desired her, but that he saw the evidence of his Lord: thus (did We order) that We might turn away from him (all) evil and shameful deeds: for he was one of Our servants, sincere and purified.
25 So they both raced each other to the door, and she tore his shirt from the back: they both found her lord near the door. She said: "What is the (fitting) punishment for one who formed an evil design against thy wife, but prison or a grievous chastisement?"

26 He said: "It was she that sought to seduce me - from my (true) self." And one of her household saw (this) and bore witness, (thus):- "If it be that his shirt is rent from the front, then is her tale true, and he is a liar!
27 "But if it be that his shirt is torn from the back, then is she the liar, and he is telling the truth!"
28 So when he saw his shirt,- that it was torn at the back,- (her husband) said: "Behold! It is a snare of you women! truly, mighty is your snare!

29 "O Joseph, pass this over! (O wife), ask forgiveness for thy sin, for truly thou hast been at fault!"

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Old 01-28-2009, 10:17 AM
 
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moonsun, this is where the Wisdom and Spirituality of ancient truly enlightened cultures broke down - the understanding of it having descended into raw barbarity.

i, for one, do not see fit to comment on it any further.

and furthermore, shame and blame plus punishment and condemnation turned the ONE from merciful to cruel.

so, are we still on common grounds here while sharing the last and almost lost mutual understanding of what came to be known as "initiation"?
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