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Old 02-16-2009, 10:40 PM
 
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You need to think seriously thats proof that the current bible is not as it should be and here are more proofs


YouTube - Is The Bible Corrupted?
The Quran makes bold statements that all believers in Muhammad's book should look and read the Torah - Psalms & entire Injil (Gospels & all the 27 NT books) to verify what the Quran says. At the time of Muhammad making such bold statements and over 100 years later when Muslim Clerics actually wrote the book, the very same Bible manuscipts Muhammad was referring to still exist with us today in libraries and Museums, but apparently when backed into a corner, you DO NOT want to hear that , so you can ONLY fall back on the old standard, the bible has corruption. That is irresponsible and not historical. You don't have to believe the bible or any other holy book to be able to check these sources and references for yourself.

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the Quran is the last holy book from God after the Book of jesus so the logic thing is you should update your self to the last book of God and you will not loose jesus
Hmmmmmm The Mormons say that the book of Mormon is the last Holy Book. I find strong similiarities with Book of Mormon and Quran and it's self proclaimed Prophets. In both cases these men diliberately ignored
Revelation 22:18-19 - "New International version"
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"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:14 AM
 
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this was a statement of God and not a statement of Prophet Jesus

Jesus said it about himself.
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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You didn't answer the rest of my post...did you read all of Revelation chapter 1? Was God the Father ever dead?
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:40 AM
 
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You didn't answer the rest of my post...did you read all of Revelation chapter 1? Was God the Father ever dead?


i only believe in one God
and i don not call him father or son
and jesus is a human , a prophet and a messenger from God he never died
yet and of course God does not die
so no one died

the one who was on the cross was not jesus
but he was having the face of jesus and i think may be thats why the christians believe that jesus was crossed

and i think they are Excused until the coming of the Quran



this is from the Bible
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


this from the quran
see vesre 33 jesus said the day that i die

30 He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

31 "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;

32 "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;

33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

35 I t is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

36 Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.

37 But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:01 AM
 
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i only believe in one God
and i don not call him father or son
and jesus is a human , a prophet and a messenger from God he never died
yet and of course God does not die
so no one died

the one who was on the cross was not jesus
but he was having the face of jesus and i think may be thats why the christians believe that jesus was crossed

and i think they are Excused until the coming of the Quran

What proof do you have to show that Judas was crucified in Jesus' place?

As for the nature of God? We do believe in 1 God, too. That one God has 3 natures--the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It's spelled out in the Bible that all 3 are God.

In any event, God is much more holy and loving than allah. What has the koran ever stated that allah has done? It's up to you to work your way to allah. The Bible states that God became a man to die to pay the penalty for your sin--so he's more loving than allah could ever be, yet he's also just--requiring justice for offenses done to him.
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:56 AM
 
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i only believe in one God
and i don not call him father or son
and jesus is a human , a prophet and a messenger from God he never died
yet and of course God does not die
so no one died

the one who was on the cross was not jesus
but he was having the face of jesus and i think may be thats why the christians believe that jesus was crossed

and i think they are Excused until the coming of the Quran



this is from the Bible
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


this from the quran
see vesre 33 jesus said the day that i die

30 He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

31 "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;

32 "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;

33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

35 I t is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

36 Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.

37 But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!

Yes there is only one God Yahweh, and He calls Himself our Father. You seem confused with who God really is. Every muslim that I have met even knows that Jesus is the Son of God, they just argue that He is not God.

But you don't even know that Jesus is the Son of God, and you don't agree that He is God. I have never met someone who is muslim that disagrees with both, you are the first.
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Again, moonsun, the Quran contradicts the Bible about Jesus' divinity, and about His death.

We were speaking of Revelation chapter 1.

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

The same One who spoke the above also spoke this...

8 I am Alpha and Omega (the beginning and the ending), saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

So who spoke it? You say it was God. But you also say God did not die, so He couldn't have said verse 18. So who did?
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Moonsun said..."the one who was on the cross was not jesus
but he was having the face of jesus and i think may be thats why the christians believe that jesus was crossed"

No, Moonsun. Not only is the Quran's teaching that Jesus did not die on the cross, but the man on the cross had the face of Jesus ridiculous...BUT you're also wrong that Christians believe that Jesus was crucified because of this "trick" that you claim God played on man.

We believe Jesus was crucified on the cross because God said so. I thought muslims believe the gospels are God's Word? Maybe not. Anyway, the gospels, inspired by God, tell us it was Jesus who was on that cross. God didn't play a big game.
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Old 02-17-2009, 05:09 PM
 
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ALLAH IN THE BIBLE

The suffix "IM" of the word "ELOHIM" is a plural of respect in Hebrew.
(Remember that in Arabic and Hebrew there are two types of plurals. One of numbers and the other of honour as in Royal proclamations. Since the plural of honour is uncommon in the language of the European, he has confused these plurals to connote a plurality in the "godhead," hence his justification for his Doctrine of the Holy Trinity - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost).
Hence ELOHIM = ELOH + IM. Now I want you to perform an exercise. Do you see the words: YA-HUWA ELOH-IM? Place your left hand index finger on the first two letters "YA" meaning oh! and the other index finger on the "IM" a plural of respect. What you now have remaining in Huwa Eloh or Huwa Elah. El in Hebrew means god, and Elah or Eloh also stands for the same name - god. Therefore, "Huwa el Elah" or HUWA 'L LAH, which is identical to the Quranic expression - Huwal lah hu (meaning: HE IS ALLAH) of the verse QUL HUWAL LAH HU AHUD

Ahmed Deedat
Another interesting thing you might have missed.
If you take the word Eloh and spell it backwards you get the word "hole". Hole is another name for pit. Brad Pitt played Achilles in the movie Troy.
Troy is the first name in Troy Built lawn mowers. Lawn mowers cut grass. Grass is another word for marijuana, and marijuana is what your smokin if you think that what you said makes any more sense than what I just said.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:00 PM
 
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Yes there is only one God Yahweh, and He calls Himself our Father. You seem confused with who God really is. Every muslim that I have met even knows that Jesus is the Son of God, they just argue that He is not God.

But you don't even know that Jesus is the Son of God, and you don't agree that He is God. I have never met someone who is muslim that disagrees with both, you are the first.

i can not say if Yahweh is on of God names or not
but Allah has so many names and they are not even specific names
but dynamic because he said for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names




17:110 Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between."

17:111 Say: "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"



and regarding son of God we are all sons of God


YouTube - Is Jesus the Only Son of God

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