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Old 02-21-2009, 11:25 PM
 
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I'm not buying the idea that any religious text can explain the relativity of time that Einstein discovered and became famous because of it. Obscure passages are being translated to have meanings that were never intended and the authors of any ancient religion clearly had no knowledge of relativity, the speed of light, and time dilation. Sorry guys, I'm not going for it.
yet i didn't mentioned that relativity is in quran , i just refered to it as for an understanding for the journey of mohammed (pbuh) in very little time

there is another verses which clearly refer to the relativity , and my view is open for discussion

32-5 (Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count.

the verse is talking about the angels whom carry out these orders , in the time of mohammed (pbuh) people measured the distances neither in kilometers nor in miles but rather by how much time they needed to walk.

For example, a village two days away meant a distance equivalent to walking for two days; ten days away meant a distance equivalent to walking for ten days... However in this verse the Quran specifies 1000 years of what they counted (not what they walked). Those people back then followed the lunar calendar and counted 12 lunar months each year. These months are related to the moon and not related to the sun. Hence in 1 day the angels will travel a distance of 1000 years of what they counted (the moon). Since this verse is referring to distance, then God is saying that angels travel in one day the same distance that the moon travels in 12000 lunar orbits. Outside gravitational fields this speed turned out to be the known speed of light

by the way
Moslems believe that angels are low density creatures, and that God created them originally from light

it's just a start , but if you need to walk through more scientific detailes , you are wellcome
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:18 AM
 
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Montana Guy , compare the previous verse with this one , and tell me if you think that mohammed (pbuh) author these verses by chance !!!!!

70-4 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

Here angels will experience 1 day while humans will measure it as 50,000 years (time vs. time and not time vs. distance as the previous lunar verse)

However, according to the theory of special relativity, given this time difference (time dilation), we can calculate the speed at which that object traveled. We can verify if those angels really accelerate up to the speed of light, as claimed by Moslems, on the first verse

Where ∆to is the time measured for a mover by a mover;
∆t is the time measured for a mover by a stationary frame; v is the velocity of the mover relative to the stationary observer)
∆to is the time experienced by angels (1 day).
∆t is the time as measured by humans (50,000 lunar years x12 lunar months/lunar year x 27.321661 days/lunar month).
v is the velocity of angels in this case (which we intend to calculate and then compare to the known speed of light).
c is the known speed of light 299792458 km/s, the speed of light in vacuum.

From the above equation we can solve for the unknown velocity:

So let’s insert the Moslem claims and see if their angels really accelerate up to the speed of light or not. Insert dates from this verse The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years into the formula




v = 299792.4579999994 km / s

surprise


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Old 02-22-2009, 08:24 AM
 
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Easy to understand Science
Timezones

The concept that one family is having breakfast as the sun comes up while another family is enjoying the brisk night air is truly something to be marveled at, even in modern time. Indeed, fourteen centuries ago, a man could not travel more than thirty miles in one day, and thus it took him literally months to travel from China to Morocco, for example. And probably, when he was having supper in Morocco, he thought to himself, "Back in China they are having supper right now." This is because he did not realize that, in the process of traveling, he moved across a time zone. Yet, because it is the words of Allah, the All-Knowing, the Quran recognizes and acknowledges such a phenomenon.

In an interesting verse it states that when the Day of Judgement arrives, it will all occur in an instant; and this very instant will catch some people in the daytime and some people at night

Female Bee

[16:68] “And thy Lord taught the bee to build its cells in hills, on trees and in habitations.”

The Quran mentions that the female bee leaves its home to gather food. Now, a person might guess on that, saying, "The bee that you see flying around - it could be male, or it could be female. But it also happens that that was not what most people believed at the time when the Quran was revealed. Can you tell the difference between a male and a female bee? Well, it takes a specialist to do that, but it has been discovered that the male bee never leaves his home to gather food.
However, in Shakespeare's play, Henry the Fourth, some of the characters discuss bees and mention that the bees are soldiers and have a king. However, that is not true at all. The fact is that they are females, and they answer to a queen. Yet it took modern scientific investigations in the last 300 years to discover that this is the case.

Cerebrum

Allah has said in the Quran about one of the evil unbelievers who forbade the Prophet Muhammad from praying at the Kaaba:

[96:15-16 ] "No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!"


*Why did the Quran describe the front of the head as being lying and sinful?

*Why didn’t the Quran say that the person was lying and sinful?

*What is the relationship between the front of the head and lying and sinfulness?

If we look into the skull at the front of the head, we will find the prefrontal area of the cerebrum. A book entitled Essentials of Anatomy & Physiology says about this area, “The motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of the frontal lobes, the prefrontal area. This is a region of association cortex...” Also the book says, “In relation to its involvement in motivation, the prefrontal area is also thought to be the functional center for aggression....”

So, this area of the cerebrum is responsible for planning, motivating, and initiating good and sinful behavior and is responsible for the telling of lies and the speaking of truth. Thus, it is proper to describe the front of the head as lying and sinful when someone lies or commits a sin, as the Quran has said, “...A lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!”

Scientists have only discovered these functions of the prefrontal area in the last sixty years, according to Professor Keith L. Moore.

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Old 04-27-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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unfortunately my idea is one way ticket only
once you are in the future i can not bring you back
and i do not think it is possible to go to the past

but you can travel up to 300 years in maximum one day or less (relatively)


i was not serious regarding selling the idea commercially

but my main point is to draw the attention to the scientific hints in the Quran to help the none believers to believe in the book of God and to believe in him and in all his prophets


here is my idea


in the Quran there is a story about a group of people called the people of the cave

they went to cave to hide and rest and they had a dog with them

in the cave they wanted to sleep so they did sleep normally

but God did some thing to their ears and that caused them to sleep for more than 300 years

and during this 300 years and while they were sleeping God maintained their bodies in order to stay normal

and during this 300 years they did not need to eat or drink and they did not wake up

so if we know exactly the way God treated their ears and the maintenance procedures while they were sleeping then we can simulate the same thing


here the verses from the quran


Then We draw (a veil) over their ears, for a number of years, in the Cave, (so that they heard not):
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Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the open space in the midst of the Cave. Such are among the Signs of Allah. He whom Allah, guides is rightly guided; but he whom Allah leaves to stray,- for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way.

Thou wouldst have deemed them awake, whilst they were asleep, and We turned them on their right and on their left sides: their dog stretching forth his two fore-legs on the threshold: if thou hadst come up on to them, thou wouldst have certainly turned back from them in flight, and wouldst certainly have been filled with terror of them.


Such (being their state), we raised them up (from sleep), that they might question each other. Said one of them, "How long have ye stayed (here)?" They said, "We have stayed (perhaps) a day, or part of a day." (At length) they (all) said, "(Allah) (alone) knows best how long ye have stayed here.... Now send ye then one of you with this money of yours to the town: let him find out which is the best food (to be had) and bring some to you, that (ye may) satisfy your hunger therewith: And let him behave with care and courtesy, and let him not inform any one about you.

*************************
So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more)
see the signs in this verse about them

And you might think them awake while they were asleep
and We turned them about to the right and to the left,
while their dog (lay) outstretching its paws at the entrance; if you looked at them you would certainly turn back from them in flight, and you would certainly be filled with awe because of them. 18:18


And you might think them awake while they were asleep
that means thier eyes were not full closed other wise they would be blind



and We turned them about to the right and to the left

if they were not turned left and right then the earth would have eaten them

another sign in this verse

Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the open space in the midst of the Cave. Such are among the Signs of Allah. He whom Allah, guides is rightly guided; but he whom Allah leaves to stray,- for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way.



the sun and the light prevented them from the access of moisture and rot
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:36 PM
 
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You mean this whole thread was just an excuse for you to quote from the Quran again? Why don't you just start a Quran thread and leave it at that?
ya i agree!!! it's just another tactic to try to make the qu'ran look like a better religion to follow..... they just keep trying to suck those poor souls into the religious vortex.. and did you know it says in the qu'ran that if you fight and die in the holy jihad that you will go to the place of 72 virgins.what if they go to the place of 72 virgins!!!! and when they arrive the virgins are all over weight and ugly as hell.... and weigh in at the 450 lb range and are all suffering with a bad case of hemroids.
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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ya i agree!!! it's just another tactic to try to make the qu'ran look like a better religion to follow..... they just keep trying to suck those poor souls into the religious vortex.. and did you know it says in the qu'ran that if you fight and die in the holy jihad that you will go to the place of 72 virgins.what if they go to the place of 72 virgins!!!! and when they arrive the virgins are all over weight and ugly as hell.... and weigh in at the 450 lb range and are all suffering with a bad case of hemroids.
And all this time I thought it was 72 Virginians.
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:49 PM
 
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what if they go to the place of 72 virgins!!!! and when they arrive the virgins are all over weight and ugly as hell.... and weigh in at the 450 lb range and are all suffering with a bad case of hemroids.
One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise, namely al-houri al-‘iyn, and for women there is an equivalent delight. By His great wisdom, Allaah has not mentioned what the women will have as the equivalent of al-houri al-‘iyn for men, and that is due to modesty and shyness.

How can He encourage them to seek Paradise by mentioning something that they are too shy and modest to mention or speak about themselves?

So He has simply hinted at it, as in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

Therein you shall have (all) that your inner selves desire
[Fussilat 41:31-32]

The description of al-houri al-‘iyn is mentioned in more than one place in the Book of Allaah, such as the following:

1 – Allaah says, describing the reward of the people of Paradise (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (there will be) Houri (fair females) with wide lovely eyes (as wives for Al-Muttaqoon – the pious).
23. Like unto preserved pearls”
[al-Waaqi’ah 56:22, 23]


al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him)said:

“And (there will be) Houri (fair females) with wide lovely eyes”. Al-Hawra’ is a woman in whose eyes are lined with kohl, beautiful and bright. Al-‘iyn refers to beautiful and huge eyes. The beauty of eyes in the female is one of the greatest signs of beauty.
“Like unto preserved pearls” means, as if they are pure, white, shining pearls, which are covered and protected from people’s eyes, the wind and the sun. Their colour is one of the most beautiful of colours and they have no fault or blemish of any kind. This is how al-houri al-‘iyn are: they have no faults of blemishes of any kind, rather they are beautiful in all ways.
Every time you gaze upon her, you see nothing but that which gladdens the heart. End quote.
Islam QA - Description of al-**** al-‘iyn in the Qur’aan and Sunnah
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Old 04-27-2009, 06:48 PM
 
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ya i agree!!! it's just another tactic to try to make the qu'ran look like a better religion to follow..... they just keep trying to suck those poor souls into the religious vortex.. and did you know it says in the qu'ran that if you fight and die in the holy jihad that you will go to the place of 72 virgins.what if they go to the place of 72 virgins!!!! and when they arrive the virgins are all over weight and ugly as hell.... and weigh in at the 450 lb range and are all suffering with a bad case of hemroids.
Well..in Islam paradise will be physical...as are its inhabitants...us. It will not be us becoming angels since there are already angels who are formed from light and do not have any desires. We will be in better physical form when we are in paradise and live in mansions and eat and socialise. Isn't that a better reward than doing all good and then when dying...finding out that all you get is a harp and a cloud? That will be a bummer..
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Old 11-28-2009, 12:57 AM
 
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in the Quran there is a story about a group of people called the people of the cave

they went to cave to hide and rest and they had a dog with them

in the cave they wanted to sleep so they did sleep normally

but God did some thing to their ears and that caused them to sleep for more than 300 years

and during this 300 years and while they were sleeping God maintained their bodies in order to stay normal

and during this 300 years they did not need to eat or drink and they did not wake up

so if we know exactly the way God treated their ears and the maintenance procedures while they were sleeping then we can simulate the same thing


here the verses from the quran


Then We draw (a veil) over their ears, for a number of years, in the Cave, (so that they heard not):
*************************************
Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the open space in the midst of the Cave. Such are among the Signs of Allah. He whom Allah, guides is rightly guided; but he whom Allah leaves to stray,- for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way.

Thou wouldst have deemed them awake, whilst they were asleep, and We turned them on their right and on their left sides: their dog stretching forth his two fore-legs on the threshold: if thou hadst come up on to them, thou wouldst have certainly turned back from them in flight, and wouldst certainly have been filled with terror of them.


Such (being their state), we raised them up (from sleep), that they might question each other. Said one of them, "How long have ye stayed (here)?" They said, "We have stayed (perhaps) a day, or part of a day." (At length) they (all) said, "(Allah) (alone) knows best how long ye have stayed here.... Now send ye then one of you with this money of yours to the town: let him find out which is the best food (to be had) and bring some to you, that (ye may) satisfy your hunger therewith: And let him behave with care and courtesy, and let him not inform any one about you.

*************************
So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHYOf62UZl8
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:36 AM
 
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You mean this whole thread was just an excuse for you to quote from the Quran again? Why don't you just start a Quran thread and leave it at that?
Well, he's dedicated, you have to give him that. We should just have an Islam sticky where they can quote the Qur'an all day long.
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