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Old 02-21-2009, 12:38 PM
 
Location: England
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Out of curiosity I tried to Google the total number of muslims in America but there doesn't seem to be a number that everyone agrees is accurate. It sounds like it's several million but that's a rough guess. Whatever the number is this is the first time I've ever heard of a crime like this being committed in this country. There are a number of American cities with large muslim populations and European cities have even larger populations in places like France and I've never heard of a similar crime committed there either. Of course this was a gruesome and horrible crime but it was the action of one man and I don't think it's fair to tarnish the image of millions of muslims who really are moderate and go about their lives just like the rest of us.
Here in Britain we have a real problem with so-called 'honour' killings. Stranglings, stabbings but as yet no beheading. I'm sure it's only a matter of time. All women victims, of course.

The police and government are fully aware of it but are doing nothing to stamp it out. It is mostly kept hidden and as the authorities bend over backwards for all things Islam that's the way it will probably remain.

There are a lot of us here who want our country back and are sick to death with being forced to kneel before the altar of 'multi-culturism'. For that, read 'Islam'.
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:45 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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I think we all need to realize that some groups of people are so thoroughly indoctrinated with heinous cultural practices that they are never going to be able to function as civilized people outside their own culture.

Let's face it. This guy put on a good front but deep down, he was just as sick as the radical Islamists that slap on bombs and blow themselves - and anyone else around them- into bits and pieces.

There is something very disturbing about how we all seem to simply flip this off as - oh well - cultural and social - nothing we can do about it. This guy promoted himself to the community as a moderate and a SAFE PERSON TO BE AROUND. He was anything but that.

I have always wanted to believe that it was stereotypic thinking to assume that most Muslims really are the nutballs we see doing this stuff . . . but this guy's actions have made me wonder if it is all just sugar-coating - and if the violence is so endemic in Muslim society that at the core, any of them will lash out and cut any of our throats. SO you might say . . . by his actions . . . this horrible man has done more to solidify in many of our minds that the stereotype is not a stereotype at all - but rather, the reality.

ETA: and before Islam apologists jump on me to say this guy was an exception . . . really? Beheading? That is a custom deeply rooted in Muslim culture. And this guy had gone to great lengths to make himself a public figure, and promote himself and his community. It is like he was working very hard at convincing us all that he was a mainstream citizen, and wanted to build bridges b/n the muslim community and everyone else. That is what makes this whole situation so disturbing - he was trying to convince everyone that he was not a radical - yet his actions tell a totally different story.

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Old 02-21-2009, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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That just proves how backward Islam is.
If he was a Christian he would have shot or strangled her.
But chopping off her head?
How barbaric.
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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I think we all need to realize that some groups of people are so thoroughly indoctrinated with heinous cultural practices that they are never going to be able to function as civilized people outside their own culture.

Let's face it. This guy put on a good front but deep down, he was just as sick as the radical Islamists that slap on bombs and blow themselves - and anyone else around them- into bits and pieces.

There is something very disturbing about how we all seem to simply flip this off as - oh well - cultural and social - nothing we can do about it. This guy promoted himself to the community as a moderate and a SAFE PERSON TO BE AROUND. He was anything but that.

I have always wanted to believe that it was stereotypic thinking to assume that most Muslims really are the nutballs we see doing this stuff . . . but this guy's actions have made me wonder if it is all just sugar-coating - and if the violence is so endemic in Muslim society that at the core, any of them will lash out and cut any of our throats. SO you might say . . . by his actions . . . this horrible man has done more to solidify in many of our minds that the stereotype is not a stereotype at all - but rather, the reality.

ETA: and before Islam apologists jump on me to say this guy was an exception . . . really? Beheading? That is a custom deeply rooted in Muslim culture. And this guy had gone to great lengths to make himself a public figure, and promote himself and his community. It is like he was working very hard at convincing us all that he was a mainstream citizen, and wanted to build bridges b/n the muslim community and everyone else. That is what makes this whole situation so disturbing - he was trying to convince everyone that he was not a radical - yet his actions tell a totally different story.
My thoughts exactly.
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Old 02-21-2009, 02:00 PM
 
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When this muslim man goes into an American prison ... I won't be surprised to see him get bumped off by an American prisoner. American men don't tollerate such a brutal killing for women. This man's life deserves to be ended with a slow painful death the "american way"
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Old 02-21-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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Here in Britain we have a real problem with so-called 'honour' killings. Stranglings, stabbings but as yet no beheading. I'm sure it's only a matter of time. All women victims, of course.

The police and government are fully aware of it but are doing nothing to stamp it out. It is mostly kept hidden and as the authorities bend over backwards for all things Islam that's the way it will probably remain.
I've seen quite a bit of news about the situation in Britain as well as France and elsewhere and it strikes me that the muslim community does have plenty of radical troublemakers without a doubt, but it also appears that a great many muslims in Europe don't feel like they really are a part of the society they're living in, even if they were born there. I know there's a large number of people from Pakistan in Britain who are commonly referred to as Pakis which is supposed to be an unflattering term. American muslims generally feel accepted and I think our tradition of having immigrants from all over the world who feel like they're all Americans is a good one.
I've also expressed my disgust of the treatment of muslim women on many threads on this forum so don't get me wrong about that. I just think that we make matters worse when our actions and words make muslims feel isolated and offended.
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Old 02-21-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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I think that honor killings are real -- something a lot of people like to pretend doesn't exist. But, no matter how we might like to pretend that all cultures are relative the fact is that some cultures or aspects of cultures just will never mix or coexist. To pretend that in mostly Islamic societies a culture of violence and subjagation towards women does not exist is shortsighted indeed. Especially when dealing with immigrants from those cultures. It is not helping relations between the 'natives' and the immigrants, at all.
Ultimately, the moderate/modern muslims from these socities needs to take control of their culture. They need to banish things such as honor killings, selling women and girls into marriage against their will, and abuse. The west cannot do it.
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Old 02-21-2009, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Nowhere'sville
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That just proves how backward Islam is.
If he was a Christian he would have shot or strangled her.
But chopping off her head?
How barbaric.
Oh you are funny! I needed a good laugh!
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Old 02-21-2009, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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elizabeth7 wrote:

I've seen quite a bit of news about the situation in Britain as well as France and elsewhere and it strikes me that the muslim community does have plenty of radical troublemakers without a doubt, but it also appears that a great many muslims in Europe don't feel like they really are a part of the society they're living in, even if they were born there. I know there's a large number of people from Pakistan in Britain who are commonly referred to as Pakis which is supposed to be an unflattering term. American muslims generally feel accepted and I think our tradition of having immigrants from all over the world who feel like they're all Americans is a good one.
I've also expressed my disgust of the treatment of muslim women on many threads on this forum so don't get me wrong about that. I just think that we make matters worse when our actions and words make muslims feel isolated and offended.
They should feel isolated and offended. What productive citizen kills their family members? It's not going to go away if you are silent about it. The world and those of us in it have a responsibility to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves. There are thousands, if not millions of Muslim women who have no voice that are potential victims of honor killings. If you and I don't say something, who will speak for these victims? You know as well as I do that society just sweeps it's dirt under the rug without so much as a whisper. Muslim men have to accept the fact that society will not tolerate honor killings even if it is a cultural thing.
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Old 02-21-2009, 10:48 PM
 
Location: egypt
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I think that honor killings are real -- something a lot of people like to pretend doesn't exist. But, no matter how we might like to pretend that all cultures are relative the fact is that some cultures or aspects of cultures just will never mix or coexist. To pretend that in mostly Islamic societies a culture of violence and subjagation towards women does not exist is shortsighted indeed. Especially when dealing with immigrants from those cultures. It is not helping relations between the 'natives' and the immigrants, at all.
Ultimately, the moderate/modern muslims from these socities needs to take control of their culture. They need to banish things such as honor killings, selling women and girls into marriage against their will, and abuse. The west cannot do it.


honour killings is real and justified in your holy book "bible" , i challange you to give me one verse justifies it in islamic teaching
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