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Old 04-04-2009, 11:25 PM
 
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That is true. I know a group of women I used to work with many, many years ago was literally appalled and even scared because I told them I would read palms for free beer in my college days. They thought it 'witchy'.
Also, I have heard of christian sects warning its members against yoga for some reason.

But to be fair, I don't know of any christian sect that will kill a person for converting to another faith.
I've heard many Christians say they are against Yoga and meditation too.

I guess if you are preaching closed-mindedness and intolerance, you don't want people to do mind opening things? Don't teach your sheep to run too fast, they might escape.
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:33 PM
 
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Stop arguing about all of this. If you are a Christian, you need not post anything like this to provoke-you should teach by showing a better way-all your posts of this vein do is open yourself up to attacks by the funkymonks of the world. It is not worth it bantering with such people. Save your energy for doing the good work, these boards are filled with folks who might agree with you, but are also filled with folks who make mockery of anything they don't have a clue about. The work starts in your own community, set an example, lead by example and the rest will fall into place. Words have no meaning unless you back them up. Live your words ArmyRanger-you will be surprised at how many you may reach in doing so.
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Old 04-04-2009, 11:40 PM
 
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Never go running into a gun fight with a club in your hand, right? Just hang out with the other club-people
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Old 04-05-2009, 12:24 AM
 
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The way I see it, any religion that has to outlaw the seeking of other religions, has something to hide. Why would Islamic run countries ban the Bible? If Islam was the way, they would'nt have anything to fear from thier people comparing the two books, the Koran and the Bible, to see which one makes more sense. Why would Islamic countries execute anyone who converts to Christianity? Because they know that if any of thier believers took a hard, honest look at Islam and Christianity then a significant number of thier flock would switch teams. Thier Koran and the religion itself is full of holes that Christianity fills, and the leaders of the Islamic faith know this. Here is my question, and would any Muslim please answer> Why do the Islamic countries have such laws and practices against other religions and what do they have to fear from even the basic knowledge of other religions if Islam is the real path to God?
first of all , from whole muslims countries of the world , the only country ban the bible is arabia (as long as civilians there are 100% muslims , so it's just law )


The scholar Tom Harper records:

Obviously, you have to regard with deep suspicion any group or movement, however noble its declarations, that proceeds to win its "case" by silencing, excommunicating, or murdering its assumed opponents. Yet most Christians today are totally unaware that Church history conceals a horrendous, lengthy record of precisely these kinds of tactics by the proponents of what eventually became "orthodox", credal belief. What's more, the kind of bigoted fury unleashed in the third and fourth centuries against Pagans, "heretics", and nonconformists of all types set a ruthless precedent for centuries to come. The comparatively modern Church historian G.R.S. Mead cites, for example, the burning of the manuscripts of French rabbis during the notorious Inquisition and the vandalism of fanatical crusaders, “who left smouldering piles of Hebrew scrolls behind them in their path of blood and fire”. Kuhn argues that the official burnings of Hebrew books began at Montpellier, France, in 1233, with the commitment to the flames of all the works of Maimonides (1135-1204), the renowned Jewish philosopher and theologian. In the same year at Paris, some twelve thousand volumes of the Talmud were burned, and in 1244, eighteen thousand other various works were thrown into fire, he records.


Epiphanius (315 403), the rigidly conservative bishop of Salamiz, in an attack upon the “Sabellian heretics” (who found they couldn’t follow the majority view of the Trinity), wrote that “the whole of their errors…they derive from…that which is called the Gospel of the Egyptians”. Kuhn remarks, “Priceless in value would be that same Gospel of the Egyptians if Christian fury had not destroyed it.
Another priceless book, The True Logos by Celsus, one of the most noted Pagan philosophers of the second century, was likewise burned. The brilliant Gnostic philosopher Basildes (c. 135-150) taught at Alexandria in the second quarter of the second century and claimed to know of a secret tradition transmitted by St. Peter himself. He was highly regarded even by so eminent a Christian theologian and Church Father as Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215). Yet according to Eusebius, his irreplaceable, widely renowned Interpretations of the Gospels – in twenty-four splendid volumes – were all burned “by order of the Church”. Thirty-six priceless volumes written by Porphyry (c. 232-303), one of the most learned and brilliant minds of his era, were destroyed by the Church Fathers. Porphyry, a Neoplatonist philosopher who could not accept the divinity of Christ and who exposed numerous inconsistencies in the Gospels, had tried official Christianity for a brief time but found it sadly wanting. Fifteen of his burned books formed a special series called Against the Christians. Scholars would give a lot to have them now.

The early Church tried to destroy the parallels by booking burning, character assassination, and other fraud.

Now if Christianity were true, the Christians wouldn’t have any reason to destroy the pagan documents!
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:20 AM
 
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first of all , from whole muslims countries of the world , the only country ban the bible is arabia (as long as civilians there are 100% muslims , so it's just law )


The scholar Tom Harper records:

Obviously, you have to regard with deep suspicion any group or movement, however noble its declarations, that proceeds to win its "case" by silencing, excommunicating, or murdering its assumed opponents. Yet most Christians today are totally unaware that Church history conceals a horrendous, lengthy record of precisely these kinds of tactics by the proponents of what eventually became "orthodox", credal belief. What's more, the kind of bigoted fury unleashed in the third and fourth centuries against Pagans, "heretics", and nonconformists of all types set a ruthless precedent for centuries to come. The comparatively modern Church historian G.R.S. Mead cites, for example, the burning of the manuscripts of French rabbis during the notorious Inquisition and the vandalism of fanatical crusaders, “who left smouldering piles of Hebrew scrolls behind them in their path of blood and fire”. Kuhn argues that the official burnings of Hebrew books began at Montpellier, France, in 1233, with the commitment to the flames of all the works of Maimonides (1135-1204), the renowned Jewish philosopher and theologian. In the same year at Paris, some twelve thousand volumes of the Talmud were burned, and in 1244, eighteen thousand other various works were thrown into fire, he records.


Epiphanius (315 403), the rigidly conservative bishop of Salamiz, in an attack upon the “Sabellian heretics” (who found they couldn’t follow the majority view of the Trinity), wrote that “the whole of their errors…they derive from…that which is called the Gospel of the Egyptians”. Kuhn remarks, “Priceless in value would be that same Gospel of the Egyptians if Christian fury had not destroyed it.
Another priceless book, The True Logos by Celsus, one of the most noted Pagan philosophers of the second century, was likewise burned. The brilliant Gnostic philosopher Basildes (c. 135-150) taught at Alexandria in the second quarter of the second century and claimed to know of a secret tradition transmitted by St. Peter himself. He was highly regarded even by so eminent a Christian theologian and Church Father as Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-215). Yet according to Eusebius, his irreplaceable, widely renowned Interpretations of the Gospels – in twenty-four splendid volumes – were all burned “by order of the Church”. Thirty-six priceless volumes written by Porphyry (c. 232-303), one of the most learned and brilliant minds of his era, were destroyed by the Church Fathers. Porphyry, a Neoplatonist philosopher who could not accept the divinity of Christ and who exposed numerous inconsistencies in the Gospels, had tried official Christianity for a brief time but found it sadly wanting. Fifteen of his burned books formed a special series called Against the Christians. Scholars would give a lot to have them now.

The early Church tried to destroy the parallels by booking burning, character assassination, and other fraud.

Now if Christianity were true, the Christians wouldn’t have any reason to destroy the pagan documents!

Great post, elwill.

Christians don't believe that if they ran the government they would revert to this, but their books, the Left Behind series have Christians killing non Christians. How far would one have to go to realize that this is what many fundamentalist Christians would love to do. I would fear them getting into power again.
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Old 04-05-2009, 03:55 PM
 
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Islam and Christianity.

Same dance, different tune.
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:01 PM
 
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Why do Christians preach that their religion is the only correct one and every other religion is blasphemy? It's the exact same thing, the only reason why these rules arent enforced by Christians is because there is no Christian theocracy.

Because the other religions are false? We don't outlaw 'em...but they're still false.
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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Because the other religions are false? We don't outlaw 'em...but they're still false.
It should then be easy to prove they are "false." It should be easy to prove yours is "true."

This should be fun.
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:52 PM
 
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Because the other religions are false? We don't outlaw 'em...but they're still false.
A hundred years from now I'll bet there will be a revised edition book of Mythology and they will all be included...
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Old 04-05-2009, 06:06 PM
 
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Because the other religions are false? We don't outlaw 'em...but they're still false.
Don't you think that this is a very closed-minded and stubborn way of looking at religion?

I don't mean this as an insult. But seriously?
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