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Old 04-17-2009, 07:40 AM
 
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Hey elwill...you ever going to answer my question?

Is it illegal under sharia law to convert from islam to another religion?

Should I open a new thread?
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:10 AM
 
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I dont even understand how Muslims understand Muslim law. Case in point---That couple in Pakistan that was executed last week. They would have been killed for "doing things that only married people should do" but they were killed when they tried to get married! WTF????????????????
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:34 AM
 
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Is it forbidden, under sharia law, to convert from islam to another religion?
It may need some time for you to be convinced about this matter, and for you to think about it. Perhaps you think that if a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion?
Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.
Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?
In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslimsí ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.
May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again.
Peace be upon those who follow true guidance.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
Islam QA - Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:36 AM
 
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It may need some time for you to be convinced about this matter, and for you to think about it. Perhaps you think that if a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion?
Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.
Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?
In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslims’ ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.
May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again.
Peace be upon those who follow true guidance.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
Islam QA - Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?


So bottom line is that if someone leaves islam they are to be executed?

I can see how it wouldn't be a huge leap to suggest that all non-believers whether they were muslim or not, should be executed according to that logic.

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Old 04-17-2009, 08:55 AM
 
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If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims.

Wow, and you Muslims maintain that yours is the religion of peace?
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:56 AM
 
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So bottom line is that if someone leaves islam they are to be executed?

I can see how it wouldn't be a huge leap to suggest that all non-believers whether they were muslim or not, should be executed according to that logic.


The apostate is not to be put to death immediately after he falls into apostasy, especially if his apostasy happens because of some doubt that arose. Rather he should be asked to repent and he should be offered the opportunity to return to Islam and resolve his doubts, if he has any doubts. Then if he persists in his apostasy after that, he is to be put to death. but that does not apply on a recent convert to Islam
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:03 AM
 
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The apostate is not to be put to death immediately after he falls into apostasy, especially if his apostasy happens because of some doubt that arose. Rather he should be asked to repent and he should be offered the opportunity to return to Islam and resolve his doubts, if he has any doubts. Then if he persists in his apostasy after that, he is to be put to death. but that does not apply on a recent convert to Islam

Wow...that's "reasonable" (sarcasm intended).


You think this is a peaceful religion of love? Seriously? No wonder islam is the "fastest growing religion". When it means death to convert to something else, you'd better be serious if you want to leave. And I guess it would tend to slow down the growth rate of that other religion, wouldn't it?

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Old 04-17-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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Wow...that's "reasonable" (sarcasm intended).


You think this is a peaceful religion of love? Seriously? No wonder islam is the "fastest growing religion". When it means death to convert to something else, you'd better be serious if you want to leave.
that does not apply on a recent convert to Islam.


it is for a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion?
Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.

Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?

In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslimsí ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.
May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again.
Peace be upon those who follow true guidance.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
Islam QA - Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?


and this is what he get in this life but in the last life he will be in Hell for ever if he die without repent



They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:29 AM
 
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that does not apply on a recent convert to Islam.
Define "recent". And define what a muslim is. By your definition, if I'm correct, a muslim is anyone who's dad is a muslim and was raised a muslim, right?

So...by your definition, our president is a muslim that apostasized?
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:43 AM
 
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Define "recent". And define what a muslim is. By your definition, if I'm correct, a muslim is anyone who's dad is a muslim and was raised a muslim, right?

So...by your definition, our president is a muslim that apostasized?

by recent i mean if some one was born non muslim and lived as non muslim then he entered Islam then after some months or more than that he exited from Islam


The muslim is the one who believe that Allah is the only god and Muhammed is his messenger
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