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Old 04-19-2009, 08:13 PM
 
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I don't understand why you want to mock Moonsun. He believes what he believes and you all believe what you believe. Maybe he's right and your wrong. Why do Christians have to be so smug?
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Old 04-19-2009, 08:20 PM
 
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I don't understand why you want to mock Moonsun. He believes what he believes and you all believe what you believe. Maybe he's right and your wrong. Why do Christians have to be so smug?
Who is mocking him? I am critical of his cut and paste overly long articles, and his belief has nothing to do with it. He would be received more kindly if he used his own comments, kept his pasted material shorter and provide links instead. Then at least it may get read.
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:04 PM
 
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Who is mocking him? I am critical of his cut and paste overly long articles, and his belief has nothing to do with it. He would be received more kindly if he used his own comments, kept his pasted material shorter and provide links instead. Then at least it may get read.
I see. That makes more sense to me. Thanks.
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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I don't understand why you want to mock Moonsun. He believes what he believes and you all believe what you believe. Maybe he's right and your wrong. Why do Christians have to be so smug?
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Who is mocking him? I am critical of his cut and paste overly long articles, and his belief has nothing to do with it. He would be received more kindly if he used his own comments, kept his pasted material shorter and provide links instead. Then at least it may get read.
I have a lot of respect for moonsun, as I know he is sincere in his belief. But sanspeur is right. Oh, and sanspeur isn't even a Christian! (So much for thinking "only" Christians are smug~not that you were even being smug, sanspeur!)
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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In this article I will prove that "Paran" in the Bible is indeed referring to the city or the region of Mecca in Saudi Arabia today, where Prophet Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was born
and received the Divine Revelations of Islam.
Paran in the Bible is Mecca today - See the Archeological discoveries that prove Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:57 AM
 
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Old 07-18-2009, 10:05 AM
 
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http://www.ezsoftech.com/hajj/img/zamzam2.jpg (broken link)



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Abraham took Hagar and her son, Ishmael to a place near the Kabah; he left them under a tree at the site of Zamzam. No one lived in Makkah back then, yet Abraham made them sit there, leaving them with some dates, and a small water-skin. Thereafter he set out towards home. Ishmael's mother followed him saying:

'O Abraham! Where are you going! There is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything to take pleasure in.'

She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her. Then she asked him:

'Has Allah ordered you to do so?'

He said: 'Yes.'

She said,
'Then He will not neglect us.'

Abraham proceeded onwards, and upon reaching a hill where they could not see him, he faced the Kabah and invoked Allah saying:

(Our Lord, I have settled some of my descendants in an uncultivated valley near Your Sacred House. Our Lord, that they may establish prayer. So make hearts among the people incline toward them and provide for them from the fruits that they might be grateful.) (14:37)

Hagar suckled Ishmael and drank from the water she had. When the water finished, she and her child became very thirsty, she eyed her child in agony while he cried. So she rushed to the nearest hillock, which was the hillock of as-Safa, she stood there and looked intensely hoping she might see someone, but she could not see anyone. She then descended and once she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress, until she reached the hillock of al-Marwa. She gazed attentively, hoping to see someone, but she could not. She repeated this seven times.

Ibn Ab'bas said:

The Prophet said,
'This is the origin of the tradition of Sa'ee (walking and running) between the hillocks of as-Safa and al-Marwa.

When she reached al-Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she calmed herself and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, 'O, (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?' And behold! She saw an angel at the place of Zamzam tapping the earth with its wing till water gushed from that place. Hagar quickly contained the water by making a barrier around it. She filled her water-skin.
The Prophet added,

'May Allah bestow mercy on Ishmael's mother! Had she let the Zamzam flow without trying to control it or had she not scooped from that water to fill her water skin, Zamzam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth.' (Bukhari)

Station of Abraham and Zamzam Well: The key to understanding Islam
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:24 PM
 
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Hey, moonsun, did you even glance at sanspeur's posting?
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Old 07-19-2009, 07:29 AM
 
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Hey, moonsun, did you even glance at sanspeur's posting?

Hey, Fred314X , yes i did .
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Old 07-19-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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Mazel tov.
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