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Old 09-04-2009, 08:20 PM
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But God did help Jesus. The lesson learned was that in having forsaken Jesus at the cross he has learned that his own decisions have consequences and that one should choose and trust friends carefully.

Not sure I get the intermediare part but God is present in all men (and women). Jesus understood that at a very early age.
God turned away from Jesus on the cross because He (Jesus) was "covered" with the sins of mankind. God is holy & righteous.

Not sure I understand your friend reference.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:53 PM
 
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What's your point? Am I somehow not worthy to post here since I haven't walked in your shoes?
No point to be made,just that I find it interesting what can be found on the Internet by googling it and don't pull that old stuff about walking in someone's shoes or whether you're worthy enough to post,comments like that only makes a fool out of you and I'm sure your a little more intelligent that. I'm not some ignorant savage,I've been around far too many years to be considered that and I never said anything about being worthy of anything.
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Old 09-05-2009, 09:39 AM
 
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He... being Jesus, learned the lesson.
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Old 09-05-2009, 03:44 PM
 
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...... I'm not some ignorant savage..........
at least you have the ignorant part right. I am not so certain about the savage part..........and this is a good thing.........
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Old 09-05-2009, 04:20 PM
 
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Hebrews 9:22
22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

The Creator makes the rules. A life for a life.

Then its your Creators fault for making such foolish rules. He needlessly killed his own son, even if it's only for a few days.

Because when one of my boys does something wrong, I simply make them apologize. I don't require blood for blood. Maybe your God never thought of that.

I know, you've surrendered any rational thought about this subject, and you'll just throw your hands in the air and say we can't question your great God. No reason to use our heads and try to examine what you believe with any logic.
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Old 09-05-2009, 04:49 PM
 
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[quote=Goodpasture;10625248]at least you have the ignorant part right. I am not so certain about the savage part..........and this is a good thing.........[/quote].........
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:03 PM
 
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Hi
I am Muslim ...and i am always chat with christains in religion
I had asked them many questions ...but they always deny to anwser
this is my questions
1- why God did not helped Jesus when the jews and the romans tried to killed him , As He (God) helped Mose against pharaoh and helped Noah and all the other Prophets , ( and God also helped my Prophet Muhammed) ?
http://christianity.about.com/od/faqhelpdesk/a/whyjesushad2die.htm
"Why did Jesus have to die?" it's also important to understand that Jesus clearly understood his mission on earth involved laying down his life as a sacrifice. In other words, Jesus knew it was His Father's will for him to die.


He proves his foreknowledge and understanding of his death in these passages from Scripture:
  • Mark 8:31
    Then Jesus began to tell them that he, the Son of Man, would suffer many terrible things and be rejected by the leaders, the leading priests, and the teachers of religious law. He would be killed, and three days later he would rise again. (NLT) (See also Mark 9:31)
  • Mark 10:32-34
    Taking the twelve disciples aside, Jesus once more began to describe everything that was about to happen to him in Jerusalem. "When we get to Jerusalem," he told them, "the Son of Man will be betrayed to the leading priests and the teachers of religious law. They will sentence him to die and hand him over to the Romans. They will mock him, spit on him, beat him with their whips, and kill him, but after three days he will rise again." (NLT)
  • Mark 10: 38
    But Jesus answered, "You don't know what you are asking! Are you able to drink from the bitter cup of sorrow I am about to drink? Are you able to be baptized with the baptism of suffering I must be baptized with?" (NLT)
  • Mark 10:43-45
    Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all. For even I, the Son of Man, came here not to be served but to serve others, and to give my life as a ransom for many." (NLT)
  • Mark 14:22-25
    As they were eating, Jesus took a loaf of bread and asked God's blessing on it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take it, for this is my body." And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. And he said to them, "This is my blood, poured out for many, sealing the covenant between God and his people. I solemnly declare that I will not drink wine again until that day when I drink it new in the Kingdom of God." (NLT)
  • John 10:17-18
    "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." (NKJV)
This last verse also explains why it is pointless to blame the Jews or the Romans—or anyone else, for that matter, for "killing" Jesus. Jesus, having the power to "lay it down" or "take it again," freely gave up his life. It truly doesn't matter then, who "killed" Jesus. The ones who nailed the nails only helped carry out the destiny he came to fulfill by laying down his life on the cross.

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what is the most important for GOD his son Jesus , or his Prophets ?
Jesus said all who recieve Him are saved, I believe we are all important to God. We are asked to take up our cross and follow Jesus, the prophets, who did this, are important in God's eyes.
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2- if God present him self in Jesus ...why he used intermedaire ( Marry) to present him self ?
This was another part of scripture that was fulfilled. In the Old Testament God says He will send the world a Messiah........................................
Our first glimpse of Mary is through Old Testament prophecy.
The Scripture: Isaiah 7:14
"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son and they will call him Immanuel."

Thousands of years later that prophesy was fulfilled at Jesus' birth in Luke 2:6.
The Scripture: Luke 1:26-29
"In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. The angel went to her and said, 'Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.' Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be."
The Scripture: Luke 1:30-33
"The angel said to her, 'Do not be afraid. Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."

Hope this helps!!
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Old 09-07-2009, 05:31 PM
 
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but God ( the father) could help Jesus but he dont as you believe
but God Told us in Quran that He ( GOD) saved Jesus ..."God told us that God put the man who cheated Jesus in the cross"
i know that always believed that he died for our sins .....but but why his son ? ....why saved his Prophets before !!!! and let his son Died like a cheat !!!!
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Old 09-07-2009, 05:40 PM
 
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....why sent Prophet and Helped him .... and sent another Prophet and helped him ...and sent another Prophet and helped him ....etc ...after all these Prophets " i guess more than 100 Prophet "
and GOD told us in Quran that he helped Jesus " you dont believe that God helped Jesus "

why GOD remember that there is a sin ( sin of Adam ) must Jesus ( the incent and his son) who payed !!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????!!!????? !!!!

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Old 09-08-2009, 08:09 AM
 
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....why sent Prophet and Helped him .... and sent another Prophet and helped him ...and sent another Prophet and helped him ....etc ...after all these Prophets " i guess more than 100 Prophet "
and GOD told us in Quran that he helped Jesus " you dont believe that God helped Jesus "

why GOD remember that there is a sin ( sin of Adam ) must Jesus ( the incent and his son) who payed !!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????!!!????? !!!!
Because it was written in scripture that God would send a Messiah for the Jewish people. Jesus was rejected by the Jews and the Gentiles. It wasn't God who killed, Jesus it was the people of that time. They failed to see Jesus as the Messiah and crucified him just like the thieves on the cross.

I believe God was with Jesus after all the skies turned dark on that day and I believed God wept at the site of the people and them not accepting His son as the Messiah.

All is fine Jesus is alive a well!!!! One day He will return, to show those who still reject HIM, that He is alive!!!!
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