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Old 05-02-2007, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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I also agree that muslims should be able to dress any way that they want. What I don't appreciate is that when western women visit a nation like Saudi Arabia they're expected to wear muslim attire. I've seen so many female reporters interviewing some official and they've always got to wear this clothing. In general I think the way that women are treated in muslim nations is disgusting but I don't want to drift too far from the topic.
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Old 05-02-2007, 08:23 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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It is their right to wear what they want. Everyone has this right. I have worn one myself for a class project in Diversity class. When wearing this I noticed being eyed and looked at as if I was crazy. It is an item of clothing, some people wear hats so what. Although America has been called the Melting pot in the past, today looking around and seeing the different cultures, backgrounds, beliefs, and others we should be considered a "Salad" We all have differences in every way. Everyone has the right to be themselves.
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Old 05-03-2007, 04:54 AM
 
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What I don't appreciate is that when western women visit a nation like Saudi Arabia they're expected to wear muslim attire. I've seen so many female reporters interviewing some official and they've always got to wear this clothing. In general I think the way that women are treated in muslim nations is disgusting but I don't want to drift too far from the topic.
That is because Iraq/Pakistan etc are muslim STATES. They have religious police who walk around insuring folks do not do, say, or behave in a way that is contrary to the muslim faith.

America at least tries to separate church from state. Sadly, a few posters on the CD forum see it as their job to be self-appointed vanguards of the christian faith.
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Old 05-03-2007, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Comunistafornia, and working to get out ASAP!
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Given all of the events that have happened in the last few years, I can't understand why these folks don't try to blend in and look like everyone else in this country. It seems arrogant to me to dress like that when this country is welcoming them here. If I chose to live in a new country, I would eventually adapt to their customs and try to assimilate. Why don't the Muslims do the same?
I think we all know the answer to that
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Old 05-03-2007, 07:12 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Given all of the events that have happened in the last few years, I can't understand why these folks don't try to blend in and look like everyone else in this country. It seems arrogant to me to dress like that when this country is welcoming them here. If I chose to live in a new country, I would eventually adapt to their customs and try to assimilate. Why don't the Muslims do the same?

Does it also seem arrogant to you when Jewish men wera a yarmulke?
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Old 05-03-2007, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Or when Amish women wear bonnets?
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:25 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Does it also seem arrogant to you when Jewish men wera a yarmulke?

no, not really. the orthodox jews that i have seen wear the yarmulke on the sabbath and temple services. honestly, i don't know personally any orthodox jews, but do know some israelis who celebrate the sabbath. It just seems to me that every ethnic group in this country eventually gets away from the clothing of its native country and tries to blend in. Perhaps the reason being that he/she would not be discriminated against. For example, does a woman wear a hijab/burka to a job interview? only on certain days or every day? I am Mexican American, but i'll be damned if I would wear a serape to work. I imagine that my ancestors for the sake of survival also had to adapt to united states customs,clothing,language, etc.. Due to their sacrifices, I can prosper here. I'm grateful for that.
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:44 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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no, not really. the orthodox jews that i have seen wear the yarmulke on the sabbath and temple services. honestly, i don't know personally any orthodox jews, but do know some israelis who celebrate the sabbath. It just seems to me that every ethnic group in this country eventually gets away from the clothing of its native country and tries to blend in. Perhaps the reason being that he/she would not be discriminated against. For example, does a woman wear a hijab/burka to a job interview? only on certain days or every day? I am Mexican American, but i'll be damned if I would wear a serape to work. I imagine that my ancestors for the sake of survival also had to adapt to united states customs,clothing,language, etc.. Due to their sacrifices, I can prosper here. I'm grateful for that.

I just think arrogance is maybe the wrong word to describe someone's observance of religion. Then again, I grew up in the NYC metro area, probably one of the most diverse areas on the planet, where NOT blending is pretty difficult
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Old 05-03-2007, 10:24 AM
 
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no, not really. the orthodox jews that i have seen wear the yarmulke on the sabbath and temple services. honestly, i don't know personally any orthodox jews, but do know some israelis who celebrate the sabbath. It just seems to me that every ethnic group in this country eventually gets away from the clothing of its native country and tries to blend in. Perhaps the reason being that he/she would not be discriminated against. For example, does a woman wear a hijab/burka to a job interview? only on certain days or every day? I am Mexican American, but i'll be damned if I would wear a serape to work. I imagine that my ancestors for the sake of survival also had to adapt to united states customs,clothing,language, etc.. Due to their sacrifices, I can prosper here. I'm grateful for that.
So it doesn't bother you that Jews wear yarmulkes but it bothers you that Muslim/middleastern women wear a hijab? I totally don't get your rationale here. Yes, I have seen middleastern women wear the hijab to a job interview, just as I've seen Jewish men wear the yarmulke on non-Sabbaths. Whoever mentioned New York City ... it truly is, IMO, what America is and what all cities will eventually (should?) become.
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Old 05-03-2007, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Jersey City
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no, not really. the orthodox jews that i have seen wear the yarmulke on the sabbath and temple services. honestly, i don't know personally any orthodox jews, but do know some israelis who celebrate the sabbath.
Many orthodox Jewish men wear them every day. I lived in a town with a very large orthodox Jewish population (Highland Park, NJ) until recently. Walking down the street every day I'd see men wearing yarmulkes, white shirts, and black pants. Women dressed in conservative dresses, usually black with some ornament and a head covering. I was an atheist grad student at the time. There were many other students in town but at times I looked out of place in my jeans and sweatshirt. Should I have adopted orthodox dress for the sake of blending in? No way! I went to the deli, the kosher chinese restaurant, and the kosher pizza joint and was welcomed the same way every other customer was. And to prove the point, the town has a Unity Fest every fall.
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