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Old 01-02-2009, 10:51 AM
 
Location: San Josť, CA
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You are being unreasonable. The answer is that the muslim girl should dress like everyone else in her peer group. I wish that we could hear from an actual muslim so that she could say why she dresses that way when she is sure to be given a double take. Why don't they leave their old world customs back in their old country?
I don't know where you're from, but I don't give muslim women a double take when they wear the hijab. In fact, I think it's beautiful and I also find the women (especially from Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria) to be the most beautiful women in the world.

I think your questions seem sensible to someone who has never spoken to, or had much contact with the people. The reason they wear the hijab is out of respect for themselves and for God. They're not going to give up religious belief because they're in a different country. They're still under the same deity.

My advice to you is to open your mind. Everything is relative to experience. You simply haven't experienced other cultures in a positive manner enough not to appear to be entirely ethnocentristic.
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:56 AM
 
Location: San Josť, CA
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I am one of the few who support the OP's sentiments.

When you think that in Islamic countries like Afghanistan the burkha is forced on women whether they want it or not, these Muslims in exile seem to be indulging themselves. The same goes for those born outside of an Islamic society.

I find it offensive and hostile. No way on God's earth is it natural or commanded that a woman cover herself from head to toe in this restrictive and insulting costume, with just a pair of eyes peering out at you.

There is a huge chasm in this country and it grows wider by the day. We have had Islam forced on us and the future does not look rosy at all.
The problem with your viewpoint is that Afghanistan is what you used as your example, even though a) it's not even technically in the middle east, b) it's not at all a standard for Muslim women.

Most women who wear a veil do not wear the burka, in fact, they wear the hijab. The burka is popular essentially only in Afghanistan. The Niqab is popular in Saudi Arabia and other surrounding gulf areas while the Hijab is popular in the rest of the middle east. So they're not just ''eyes peeking out at you.''

The Hijab is also very much optional. Women in most middle eastern countries decide for themselves whether or not they will wear it. I know it will pain you to open your mind and think something different from what Fox News has told you, but countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria (as well as Iraq pre-invasion) are all very liberal states in which many of the women don't even wear the Hijab!

I should also mention that in gulf states, men also choose to wear a cover -- the practice is not a female standard. I can tell you that as you study why they chose to wear a covering, you might be interested to know that in part, it was born out of the fact that these coverings, veils, and as you call them, "costumes," had alot to do with the desert heat and sun, and the fact that while wearing such garments, it also kept them cooler than if they had not worn them. The other reason is of course, modesty, and especially in gulf states, you see men wearing a varied mix of garb as well.
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:17 AM
 
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Is it possible that the OP was not so much referring the Hijab as a religious symbol, but how some people associate the Hijab with oppression and hence, may find it slightly offensive? Purely guessing here.
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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same answer for you. We in the US don't "kowtow" to Muslims. Jail cell oriented to Mecca?!?! Are you serious? Yes, that is a bit ridiculous. Did this actually happen in England? Different food, I can agree with. The veil not allowed for security? No, I cannot agree with this, unless you are going to ban long skirts, baggy jeans, puffy down jackets, etc...
This (bolded part) sparked a vague memory. I believe there was some sort of issue (in the USA? I don't recall) with Muslim prisoners objecting to being put in certain cells where they faced the direction of Mecca if they were sitting on the toilet. I believe the resolution was to simply put them in cells that didn't have that issue.
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Old 01-02-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: mass
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[quote=j_k_k;6801134] This is Britain, and no religion stands above any other except the Church of England, nor is any other religion going to get special privileges.
Boy I love this one. Maybe only in Britain, but here in the US no religion at all should stand above any other.
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Any complaints from any other nation can be answered simply. "We'll allow all that the day Saudi stops beating up women for an overly sexy wrist display, and the day it becomes illegal to kill your daughter for getting laid in Pakistan. Until then, kindly sod off."
So how civilized a country is and how much freedom it affords it's citizens depends on that of another country?
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I'm a non-Christian who often bitterly resents the preferences and privileges Christianity gets in this country, but got to give them credit: they ask for nothing like the special privileges Muslims have arm-twisted out of Britain.
They don't need to. If Britain is set up like the US, there are many concessions to Christians that are simply put, built into our daily lives. No need to ask for more.
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I should also mention that in gulf states, men also choose to wear a cover -- the practice is not a female standard. I can tell you that as you study why they chose to wear a covering, you might be interested to know that in part, it was born out of the fact that these coverings, veils, and as you call them, "costumes," had alot to do with the desert heat and sun, and the fact that while wearing such garments, it also kept them cooler than if they had not worn them. The other reason is of course, modesty, and especially in gulf states, you see men wearing a varied mix of garb as well.
Good for you. I made this point in another thread. People looking at women covering themselves up and think it is an atrocity, but fail to realize that the men in those areas are not walking around in shorts and tank tops, either. They are practically covering as much as the women, except maybe the face and hair.

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Is it possible that the OP was not so much referring the Hijab as a religious symbol, but how some people associate the Hijab with oppression and hence, may find it slightly offensive? Purely guessing here.
Perhaps, but we cannot be offended by our own misguided associations.
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This (bolded part) sparked a vague memory. I believe there was some sort of issue (in the USA? I don't recall) with Muslim prisoners objecting to being put in certain cells where they faced the direction of Mecca if they were sitting on the toilet. I believe the resolution was to simply put them in cells that didn't have that issue.
You are probably right, but to that I'd say, turn your fanny 4 degrees to the left or right. If it's a round toilet seat it's won't make a difference. It shouldn't matter if the toilet is facing Mecca, if they are not.
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Old 01-02-2009, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Aloverton
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So how civilized a country is and how much freedom it affords it's citizens depends on that of another country?
You fully missed the point.
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Old 01-02-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: mass
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You fully missed the point.
I guess I did, sorry.

What was it, exactly?
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