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Old 09-28-2009, 10:44 PM
 
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1. Alif. Lám. Rá. (This is) a Book, with verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning), further explained in detail,- from One Who is Wise and Well-acquainted (with all things):

2. (It teacheth) that ye should worship none but Allah. (Say): "Verily I am (sent) unto you from Him to warn and to bring glad tidings:

here evidently, mohammad speaks. if this is a revelation from allah which means a word of god, why mohammad speaks. in the original scripture, there is no related word implying SAY. in the english version , it was added by the writer as it seems contradictory...

Either you know Arabic, or you don't know Arabic.

If you know Arabic, then you are a devil; because you suggest to foriegn people something not correct;

or in case you do not know Arabic, then you have to know that the translation is not the Quran: only it is the explanation of the Quran in another language.

But woe to you, because you suggest to people some ideas and delude them that the prophet himself said the Quran from his own, and that the Quran is not from God Almighty.

[The interpretation is according to the late interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan al-Hilly:]

Now, let us contemplate these Quranic revelations 11: 1-4
الَر كِتَابٌ أُحْكِمَتْ آيَاتُهُ ثُمَّ فُصِّلَتْ مِن لَّدُنْ حَكِيمٍ خَبِيرٍ . أَلاَّ تَعْبُدُواْ إِلاَّ اللّهَ إِنَّنِي لَكُم مِّنْهُ نَذِيرٌ وَبَشِيرٌ . وَأَنِ اسْتَغْفِرُواْ رَبَّكُمْ ثُمَّ تُوبُواْ إِلَيْهِ يُمَتِّعْكُم مَّتَاعًا حَسَنًا إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى وَيُؤْتِ كُلَّ ذِي فَضْلٍ فَضْلَهُ وَإِن تَوَلَّوْاْ فَإِنِّيَ أَخَافُ عَلَيْكُمْ عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ كَبِيرٍ . إِلَى اللّهِ مَرْجِعُكُمْ وَهُوَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ

The explanation:

(Alif, Lam, Ra.

[This is] a Book the revelations whereof are [fluently and miraculously mastered and] perfected, and then expounded [in other sites in the Quran to let them understand the meaning]; [they are] from a Most Wise [and] All-Aware [God.]

That [you should say to people]: "Serve you none but God [alone]; I am to you from Him a warner [of chastisement to those who associate in the worship of God] and a bearer of good tidings [of Paradise to those who obey God and associate not in His worship.]"

And that [you should say to them]"Ask of your Lord forgiveness [for your past sins], and turn to Him with repentance [and never associate anything with Him in the future], and He will let you enjoy a good livelihood [in the World] until an appointed time [of your death], and will give extra reward for anyone working extra work. But if you turn away [from the belief and obedience of God], I shall fear for you the torment of a mighty day [: the Last Day, lasting one thousand years.]"

"To [the judgment of] God will be your resort [after death], and [He will give us victory over you; for] He is Most Able over all things.")
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Now, if Prophet Mohammed himself said this ayat from his own accord, then the Arabic aya should not include the words underlined above أَلاَّ in the aya no. 2 and the word أَنِ in the following aya no. 3; because these two words means: that and they indicate that the speech is indirect speech.

Therefore, if it was the word of the prophet himself: the speech will come in the direct way without these words which mean in English: that as underlined above in the explanation of the aya 2 and the aya 3.

Moreover, you don't know what is the implication of the words in letters at the start of the soora or chapter:

ا ل ر (Alif, Lam, Ra.) at the start of the soora or the chapter of the Quran; and you said your words.

These miraculous letters are the puzzles with which God challenged the Arab and the non-Arab to know their meaning, in case they claim that the prophet said the Quran from his own accord;

but they couldn't know the meaning of these "Mutashabih" words, until it was interpreted by the late inspired interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan al-Hilly.

The interpretation:
Each letter is a symbol of a word; the letter is at the start of the word:
So the letter أ means إقرأ which means "recite" or "read", and which is the first word of the first aya revealed in the Quran: اقْرَأْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ which means:
([O Mohammed] recite: in the name of your Lord Who created [the universe from the non-existence.])

The letter ل means لَهم or للناس which means: to people.
The letter ر means رسول which means: messenger or apostle.

So the meaning will be: Recite To them, O Messenger.

Therefore, what was that the messenger ordered to recite: his own words or the words of the revealed Quran?
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Old 09-29-2009, 12:37 AM
 
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  • The Quran, the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel are all Allah’s Word.
  • The current Torah, Psalms and Gospel are corrupted.
  • The final word of Allah, the Quran is preserved.
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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The inheritance of the deceased according to the Quran

God gives, in the Quran, an excellent and very advanced program concerning the division of inheritance, with justice and kindness to people.

This division plan of the inheritance is given only in a very few ayat, which is miraculous for such a complicated subject of the inheritance of the wealth of the deceased.

In the Torah, too, he gave the same marvelous way of dividing the inheritance, but then in the Torah of Ezra who re-wrote the Torah for Jews following their return from the captivity of Babylon, there has been serious alteration and distortion.

I heard many Christians bequeath all their wealth to their dog, while they deprive their family members; or some of them give their inheritance according to their will to one of their daughters and deprive the rest of his sons and daughters.

While this is unaccepted in the Quran, and the deceased can - before his death - bequeath only 1/3 of his wealth in maximum, and he cannot give more than that, and his will should be fair and kind: so that he gives the excess to some of his sons or daughters or relatives that is in true need:

e.g. he may give a house for one disabled among those children or relatives ...etc.

Therefore, the inheritance is divided according to standard rules and statements, and none can change the word of God about the inheritance.

The strange thing is that some crooked people try to stir doubts about such inheritance stated by God in the Quran, when in fact they have nothing better or similar to it, have they?

As God – be exalted – said in the Quran 4: 11
آبَآؤُكُمْ وَأَبناؤُكُمْ لاَ تَدْرُونَ أَيُّهُمْ أَقْرَبُ لَكُمْ نَفْعاً فَرِيضَةً مِّنَ اللّهِ إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ عَلِيما حَكِيمًا

The explanation:
(Your fathers and your children: you do not know which of them are nearest in profit to you [but it is God Who knows that; so He has prescribed such division of the inheritance] –

; this being an ordinance from God [so do not contradict this obligation];

surely God is All-Knowing and All-Wise. )
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:25 PM
 
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contradictions going on...

let these verses come for the people who reject abrogation

12. O ye who believe! When ye consult the Messenger in private, spend something in charity before your private consultation. That will be best for you, and most conducive to purity ( 9fa of conduct). But if ye find not (the wherewithal), Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. 58:12

13. Is it that ye are afraid of spending sums in charity before your private consultation (with him)? If, then, ye do NOT so, and Allah forgives you, then (at least) establish regular prayer; give Zakat; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do. 58:13
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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contradictions going on...

let these verses come for the people who reject abrogation

12. O ye who believe! When ye consult the Messenger in private, spend something in charity before your private consultation. That will be best for you, and most conducive to purity ( 9fa of conduct). But if ye find not (the wherewithal), Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. 58:12

13. Is it that ye are afraid of spending sums in charity before your private consultation (with him)? If, then, ye do NOT so, and Allah forgives you, then (at least) establish regular prayer; give Zakat; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do. 58:13

can any if our fellow christians show me where is the contradictions in these verses , thanx
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Old 09-30-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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can any if our fellow christians show me where is the contradictions in these verses , thanx
there is not any discrepancy here, there is abrogation. ı didnt say anything as there was contradiction in these verses.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:06 PM
 
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there is not any discrepancy here, there is abrogation. ı didnt say anything as there was contradiction in these verses.
Those seeking to perpetuate the deceptions of Islam to further Allah's quest for dominance over the whole earth use abrogated verses for that purpose . . . to quiet and reassure the infidels. In Islam later verses are treated as cancellations of the verses that preceded them if they are contradictory. This sort of deceptions is not only accepted . . . it is commanded by Allah whenever necessary to advance jihad. To make things even more confusing and difficult to detect abrogation is that the verses are not numbered chronologically.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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contradictions going on...

let these verses come for the people who reject abrogation

12. O ye who believe! When ye consult the Messenger in private, spend something in charity before your private consultation. That will be best for you, and most conducive to purity ( 9fa of conduct). But if ye find not (the wherewithal), Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. 58:12

13. Is it that ye are afraid of spending sums in charity before your private consultation (with him)? If, then, ye do NOT so, and Allah forgives you, then (at least) establish regular prayer; give Zakat; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do. 58:13

There is no abrogation in the Quran of God

This is in the Quran 58: 12-13
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا نَاجَيْتُمُ الرَّسُولَ فَقَدِّمُوا بَيْنَ يَدَيْ نَجْوَاكُمْ صَدَقَةً ذَلِكَ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ وَأَطْهَرُ فَإِن لَّمْ تَجِدُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ . أَأَشْفَقْتُمْ أَن تُقَدِّمُوا بَيْنَ يَدَيْ نَجْوَاكُمْ صَدَقَاتٍ فَإِذْ لَمْ تَفْعَلُوا وَتَابَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَاللَّهُ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

The explanation:
(O believers, when you make private discourse with the messenger, then give free-will alms before your private discourse.

That will be better for you and purer for you[r hearts],

but if you have not [money, then perform prayer and ask God to avert the evil from you];

for God is Most Forgiving [to those who perform the prayer], Most Merciful [to supplicators.]


Have you [believers] conceived fear [of the vision and the omen, and] that you have not preceded your 'private discourse' by almsgiving,

but now have you not done so, and God has turned in relentance toward you [after your prayer],

so perform the [prescribed] prayer, and give the Zakat [due alms] and obey God and His messenger;

[surely] God is Most Aware of [all] that you do [so beware of His punishment.])


The interpretation:
{according to the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan al-Hilly}

One of the Muslims saw at night during sleep a disturbing dream, then next morning, he came to the prophet and told him about his dream.

Another Muslim was annoyed by the shouting of a bird, so he became ominous of that, then he came to the Prophet asking about that and telling him his story.

Therefore, the aya 58: 11 was revealed:
>> (O believers, when you make private discourse with the messenger) i.e. if you make discourse with the prophet and consult him about some of the World affairs which you conceive fear of its consequences,

>> (then give free-will alms) to the poor ( before your private discourse) so that God may avert from you the evil and that which you anticipated its occurrence; i.e. before you go to the prophet asking him about your affair which you feared its occurrence and its consequences, give some alms to the poor,

>> (That) almsgiving to the poor before the private discourse,

>> (will be better for you) in the future,

>> (and purer for you[r hearts]) from the worry and the omen which you anticipate from the evil,

>> (but if you have not [money, then perform prayer and ask God to avert the evil from you])

>> (for God is Most Forgiving [to those who perform the prayer], Most Merciful [to supplicators.])

>> (Have you [believers] conceived fear [of the dream and the omen of the bird, and] that you have not preceded your 'private discourse' by almsgiving this time,

>> (but now have you not done so, and God has turned in relentance toward you [after your prayer])

>> (so perform the [prescribed] prayer, and give the Zakat [due alms, if you can afford] and obey God and His messenger)

>> ([surely] God is Most Aware of [all] that you do [so beware of His punishment.])
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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There is no abrogation in the Quran of God
God abrogates or confirms whatsoever he will, for he has with him the Book of the Books. Qur. 13:39.

When we cancel a message, or throw it into oblivion, we replace it with one better or one similar. Do you not know that God has power over all things? Qur. 2:106.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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Those seeking to perpetuate the deceptions of Islam to further Allah's quest for dominance over the whole earth use abrogated verses for that purpose . . . to quiet and reassure the infidels. In Islam later verses are treated as cancellations of the verses that preceded them if they are contradictory. This sort of deceptions is not only accepted . . . it is commanded by Allah whenever necessary to advance jihad. To make things even more confusing and difficult to detect abrogation is that the verses are not numbered chronologically.
what do you mean? can you elaborate it?
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