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Old 10-04-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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When a body is buried in the soil

Soil will eat all parts of his body except for one thing, and that is the Coccyx

the coccyx (tailbone) is a small bone associated with the last bone of the spine and usually consists of four fused vertebrae and is considered to be the base of the primitive streak that precedes the formation of the whole fetus, especially the nervous system. After primitive streak disappears, only a small bone known as the coccyx remains

the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

“The whole body of the son of Adam will be eaten by dust except `ajb adh-dhanab (coccyx) for he was created from it and his body will be reconstructed starting with it.”


The hadiths dealing with the issue of the coccyx or the primitive streak are among the miracles of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Modern embryology has proven that man is created from this primitive streak which helps cells to grow and become full organs. It has its own effect on the formation of the nervous system (the neural groove, the neural tube, and then the whole nervous system) as well as all other organs. After fulfilling its task, the primitive streak vanishes and only a small part of it remains in the sacrococcygeal region. This remaining part (the coccyx) will be used when man’s body is reconstructed and recreated on the Day of Judgment as told by the truthful Prophet (peace be upon him).
Soil will eat all but the tail bone? That is horse squeeze and you know it!
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Old 10-04-2009, 12:35 PM
 
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YouTube - Bringing The Dead Back to Life
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Old 10-04-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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Shaking head in disbelief here!!
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Old 10-04-2009, 12:41 PM
 
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Just keep digging there soon. I'm sure if you keep digging, you'll come out on the other side of the planet.

Again, if you want to attract people to your religion, shut up with this non sense. If your purposly trying to get people to turn away from Islam, then you're doing a fine job.

I'm sure Allah is happy with you.
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Old 10-04-2009, 12:41 PM
 
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the tailbone will not be burned

All soft tissues are turned to ash by cremation. While the bones are not completely disintegrated, they are certainly fragmented. The hollowed fragements are pulverized into tiny grit like particles. While Islam generally forbids cremation, are there no exceptions, such as someone who dies and is cremated in a building fire or automobile fire? If Allah can create a human from dust, does He not also have the ability to resurrect a human from dust or ash?
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Old 10-04-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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There will be no resurrection of dead bodies

This is in the book Man after Death by Mohammed-Ali Hassan:

"The body will not be restored or resurrected

The sending forth to the afterlife البعث , the congregation or gathering together المحشر , the Judgment المحاكمة and the requital الجزاء are for souls exclusively,

and there is no need for bringing the body back to life; because the spirit (or the soul) is the true man.


[The soul of man gets out of the body [by death], as does the chicken gets out of the egg;
the soul will remain alive in the world of souls: eating, drinking, seeing, hearing, perceiving and feeling the pleasure and pain.

There will be no return of the soul to the body [after its departure from the body by death]; because the purpose from creating the egg is to form the chicken; and it is not logical that the chicken will return again to its egg.]


God - be exalted - said in the Quran 10: 56
هُوَ يُحْيِي وَيُمِيتُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ
The explanation:
(It is He [: God] Who makes alive [beings], and causes death, and to Him you will be returned [after your death.] )

So, here, God - be exalted – did not mention any reviving of the dead body to life after mentioning the death; but He said after it وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ i.e. (and to Him you will be returned [after your death.] ) which means: Bodies die and souls return back to Him.

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 15: 23
وَإنَّا لَنَحْنُ نُحْيِي وَنُمِيتُ وَنَحْنُ الْوَارِثُونَ
The explanation:
( And We, certainly, We do give life and causes death; and We are the Inheritor.)

So God - be glorified - mentioned here the death, but did not mention any [reviving of the body to] life after it.

And there are a large number of the Quran revelations with the same implication.

Last edited by eanassir; 10-04-2009 at 01:10 PM..
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Old 10-04-2009, 01:07 PM
 
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The sending of souls to the afterlife

This is another aya where God did not mention any reviving of the dead bodies following death; but only He mentioned the sending of souls to the afterlife following death.

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 11: 7
وَلَئِن قُلْتَ إِنَّكُم مَّبْعُوثُونَ مِن بَعْدِ الْمَوْتِ لَيَقُولَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِنْ هَذَا إِلاَّ سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ

The explanation:
(But should you [Mohammed] say,
"You [being souls] will be sent forth [from your bodies to the afterlife] after death";

those who disbelieve will surely say: "This is only obvious sorcery.")
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So He – be exalted – said مَّبْعُوثُونَ i.e. ("You [being souls] will be sent forth [from your bodies to the afterlife]" ), and He did not say: You will be revived or quickened after death.

The Arabic word بعث means: sending a person from a place to another.

The interpretation: You will be sent forth from earth to heaven for Judgment and Recompense.

[This also is the meaning of the word in many other ayat and in the Arabs poetry, some of which is mentioned by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan, the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, in his book Man after Death: the Arabic version.]
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Old 10-04-2009, 01:08 PM
 
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ibrahim (pbuh) and the birds

Hast thou not Turned thy vision to one who disputed with Abraham About his Lord, because God had granted him power? Abraham said: "My Lord is He Who Giveth life and death." He said: "I give life and death". Said Abraham: "But it is God that causeth the sun to rise from the east: Do thou then cause him to rise from the West." Thus was he confounded who (in arrogance) rejected faith. Nor doth God Give guidance to a people unjust.

Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall God bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but God caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day." He said: "Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age; and look at thy donkey: And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people, Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh." When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that God hath power over all things."

Behold! Abraham said: "My Lord! Show me how Thou givest life to the dead." He said: "Dost thou not then believe?" He said: "Yea! but to satisfy My own undertaking." He said: "Take four birds; Tame them to turn to thee; put a portion of them on every hill and call to them: They will come to thee (Flying) with speed. Then know that God is Exalted in Power, Wise."
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Old 10-04-2009, 01:27 PM
 
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More ayat of the Quran denoting no return of bodies to life once again


• In addition to that, God - be exalted - said in the Quran 23: 15-16
ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ لَمَيِّتُونَ . ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ تُبْعَثُونَ
The explanation:
(Then after that you shall surely die.
Then on the Day of Judgment you shall surely be sent forth [to be judged and recompensed.] )

So, God - be exalted – said تُبْعَثُونَ i.e. (sent forth), and did not say: You will be brought back to life.

• God - be exalted – said also in the Quran 45: 26
قُلِ اللَّهُ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يَجْمَعُكُمْ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ لَا رَيبَ فِيهِ وَلَكِنَّ أَكَثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
The explanation:
(Say [to them, O Mohammed,]: 'It is God Who makes you alive, then makes you die, then gathers you [in the Barzakh world] till Doomsday about which there is no doubt; but most of people do not know.)

• In addition to that, God - be exalted - said in the Quran 50: 43
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نُحْيِي وَنُمِيتُ وَإِلَيْنَا الْمَصِيرُ

The explanation:
(Surely, it is We Who give life and cause death, and to Us is the final resort.)

Therefore, God - be exalted – did not mention here any reviving to life after dying; but He said after it: وَإِلَيْنَا الْمَصِيرُ i.e. (and to Us is the final resort.)

• Also God - be exalted - said in the Quran 44: 8
لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ يُحْيِي وَيُمِيتُ رَبُّكُمْ وَرَبُّ آبَائِكُمُ الْأَوَّلِينَ
The explanation:
(There is no god but He; He gives life and causes death; your Lord and Lord of your early fathers.)

So here also, God mentioned the death, but did not mention any revival to life after it.

• Moreover, God - be exalted - said in the Quran 57: 2
لَهُ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ يُحْيِي وَيُمِيتُ وَهُوَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ
The explanation:
(To Him belongs the possession of the heavens and the earth; He gives life and causes death; and is Most-Able to do all things.)

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Old 10-04-2009, 01:31 PM
 
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Too much non sequitur type nonsense going on in this thread....I'm getting a headache. I'm going to take some ibuprofen and leave this mess alone....
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