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Old 09-17-2014, 09:31 PM
 
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Remember Qussayy purchased it from his uncle for a "Skin full of wine and a lute', Music and booze for Islam, holiest site.
His uncle won it in battle with the Jurriam.

It also housed at one time, 360 rock Gods, including the one that would become Allah.

It existed before Qusayy, and he was just the new custodian, the bronze age televangelist.
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Old 09-18-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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Five years before Prophethood, there was a great flood in Makkah that swept
towards Al-Ka‘bah and almost demolished it.

The chiefs of Quraish decided to use only licit money in rebuilding Al-Ka‘bah, so all money
that derived from harlotry, usury or unjust practices was excluded.

started the work. demolishing the walls until they reached the basis laid by Abraham.

When they started rebuilding its walls, they divided the work among the tribes.

Each tribe was responsible for rebuilding a part of it. The tribes collected stones and start work.

The work went on in harmony till the time came to put the sacred Black Stone in its proper place.

Then strife broke out among the chiefs, and lasted for four or five days, each contesting for the honour of placing the stone in its position.

Daggers were on the point of being drawn and great bloodshed seemed imminent.
Luckily, the oldest among the chiefs made a proposal which was accepted by all.
He said:
“Let him, who enters the Sanctuary first of all, decide on the point.”

It was then Allâh’s Will that the Messenger of Allâh (Peace be upon him) should be the first to enter the Mosque.

On seeing him, all the people on the scene, cried with one voice: “Al-Ameen (the trustworthy) has come. We are content to abide by his decision.”

Calm and self-possessed, Muhammad (Peace be upon him) received the
commission and at once resolved upon an expedient which was to conciliate them all.

He asked for a mantle which he spread on the ground and placed the stone in its centre. He then asked the representatives of the different clans among them, to lift the stone all together.

When it had reached the proper place, Muhammad (Peace be upon him) laid it in the proper position with his own hands.

This is how a very tense situation was eased and a grave danger averted by the wisdom of the Prophet (Peace be upon him).

LOLOL

that is a story made up in the 21st century.

Perhaps you could post the actual verses, instead of the phony story.
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Old 09-19-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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LOLOL

that is a story made up in the 21st century.

Perhaps you could post the actual verses, instead of the phony story.
Might be a bit difficult as Moonsun has not been a member for nearly 5 years
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Old 09-19-2014, 08:48 AM
 
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Another thing to point out.

It was Luhayy, who brought the Idea of praying to rocks, from Syria, and about 100 years after words Qusayy.

These two were the most important persons in the formation of Early Islam, however their references were all but destroyed, with little surviving, in favored Muhammed a few hundred years later.
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Old 09-19-2014, 08:50 AM
 
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Another thing to point out.

It was Luhayy, who brought the Idea of praying to rocks, from Syria, and about 100 years after words Qusayy.

These two were the most important persons in the formation of Early Islam, however their references were all but destroyed, with little surviving, in favored Muhammed a few hundred years later.
Do you have any sources for that?
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Old 09-19-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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Do you have any sources for that?
Yes I do, it is in Ishaq, I would have to look it up.
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Old 09-19-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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This however is a story, I will bring up the exact verses when I get home.



The Arabs prior to Islam were committed in their hearts to idols, and what they saw around themselves with their own eyes they made into idols. Not only did they lower their heads and prostrate before them, but they donated everything they had, even gifts of agricultural produce, to their idols (see VI:137). They believed that apart from the life of this world there was no other life (see XLV:24). Obviously those who did not see the wretchedness of their idols whom they had chosen as their gods could not grasp the idea and truth of the resurrection. So it was no wonder that they turned the House which Hazrat Ibrahim(A.S.) had built at the command of and in the name of Allah into quarters for their idols. As for the origins of idol-worship in the Hejaz, some believe that the first person to introduce it was 'Amr ibn Luhayy. Al-Ya'qubi writes in his history: "He (ibn Luhayy) journeyed to Syria and saw all of the inhabitants worshipping idols. When he asked about the virtues of the idols, they told him, 'They have befriended us, and they bring down rain for us.' He took a liking to them and asked them to give him an idol.
They gave him Hubal and he took him to Mecca." Ibn Hisham writes that 'Amr ibn Luhayy brought this idol from Mu'ab. In any case, Hubal was the most famous of the gods in the Ka'bah: he was built in the form of man, and holy arrows, which the diviners used fot casting auguries, were set in front of him. The influence of idol-worship grew to the point where idols were built in the form of animals, plants, men, jinn, angels and stars; even stones were the object of worship. 'al-Lat' was in Ta'if in the form of a cubic stone, and had a special field and meadow near Ta'if which was a holy place, and cutting trees, hunting and the spilling of blood were not lawful in its vicinity; the people of Mecca and other places made pilgrimage to it. 'al- 'Uzza' was a very powerful god equivalent to the planet Venus, and was situated in Nakhlah east of Mecca, and was worshipped there. It was given much more honour than the other idols.
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Old 09-19-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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This however is a story, I will bring up the exact verses when I get home.



The Arabs prior to Islam were committed in their hearts to idols, and what they saw around themselves with their own eyes they made into idols. Not only did they lower their heads and prostrate before them, but they donated everything they had, even gifts of agricultural produce, to their idols (see VI:137). They believed that apart from the life of this world there was no other life (see XLV:24). Obviously those who did not see the wretchedness of their idols whom they had chosen as their gods could not grasp the idea and truth of the resurrection. So it was no wonder that they turned the House which Hazrat Ibrahim(A.S.) had built at the command of and in the name of Allah into quarters for their idols. As for the origins of idol-worship in the Hejaz, some believe that the first person to introduce it was 'Amr ibn Luhayy. Al-Ya'qubi writes in his history: "He (ibn Luhayy) journeyed to Syria and saw all of the inhabitants worshipping idols. When he asked about the virtues of the idols, they told him, 'They have befriended us, and they bring down rain for us.' He took a liking to them and asked them to give him an idol.
They gave him Hubal and he took him to Mecca." Ibn Hisham writes that 'Amr ibn Luhayy brought this idol from Mu'ab. In any case, Hubal was the most famous of the gods in the Ka'bah: he was built in the form of man, and holy arrows, which the diviners used fot casting auguries, were set in front of him. The influence of idol-worship grew to the point where idols were built in the form of animals, plants, men, jinn, angels and stars; even stones were the object of worship. 'al-Lat' was in Ta'if in the form of a cubic stone, and had a special field and meadow near Ta'if which was a holy place, and cutting trees, hunting and the spilling of blood were not lawful in its vicinity; the people of Mecca and other places made pilgrimage to it. 'al- 'Uzza' was a very powerful god equivalent to the planet Venus, and was situated in Nakhlah east of Mecca, and was worshipped there. It was given much more honour than the other idols.
It is well known that the Ka'abah did contain many idols and the Arabis were for the most part pagan.

That does not contradict anything in the Qur'an.

But we do not buy the story about Islam being metamorphosed from any of the Pagan Religions. Prior to The take over by the Pagans the people in Mecca were Monotheistic.

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According to the Quran, the Ka'aba was built by the prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael as a house of monotheistic worhip. However, by the time of Muhammad, the Ka'aba had been taken over by pagan Arabs to house their numerous tribal gods. In 630 A.D., Muhammad and his followers took over leadership of Mecca after years of persecution. Muhammad destroyed the idols inside the Ka'aba and re-dedicated it as a house of monotheistic worship.
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The Ka'abah in Mecca was rebuilt many times prior to Muhammad(swt) and has been rebuilt several times since. the last major re-construction was in 1996. The building is not sacred, it is the location that is.

For more info about the Ka'abah HERE
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Old 09-19-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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except Abraham was 1000 miles away, and there is nothing documented by anyone, Jews included, that can even verify his existince.

The Islamic story is pure fabrication, taken from the Jewish story.

Nobody inhabited Mecca until the 4th century, and at least two tribes had it before the Quaresh.
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Old 09-19-2014, 09:40 AM
 
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except Abraham was 1000 miles away, and there is nothing documented by anyone, Jews included, that can even verify his existince.

The Islamic story is pure fabrication, taken from the Jewish story.

Nobody inhabited Mecca until the 4th century, and at least two tribes had it before the Quaresh.
It all comes down to the Qur'an being the actual word of Allaah(swt) something a non-Muslim will not accept.
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