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Old 11-14-2009, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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To the OP . . . No . . . and I say Mooseketeer for President!! Why aren't these wonderful people in government?
Well, she cannot be president since she lives in England, but she'd make a hell of a Prime Minister...We need people like her that think things through to hold the reins of power! Kudos Mooseketeer......
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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This does not bode well for the Islamic religion here, if it's seen to be, and presented by the media as, a devisive and hostile force. If it's seen to be a growing and verbal "contaminant" to the long-held cultural viewpoint that we're a lovely, "truth and love" society of Anglo-Saxon Christians, then there will eventually be fighting in the streets..
Have you ever put yourself in the shoes of the Arabic/Muslim community and tried to imagine how they view our bombing of their middle eastern countries? We have 170 military bases spread out around the world and every time our government believes it's necessary to bomb them guess what? We Do! If I were one of their young I might be doing worse...that's the truth.
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Iran for example in the 80s was doing quite nicely and moving in the right direction. All this has been undone in simply 2 decades.
It's hard to say Iran was moving in the right direction in the 80's, from the American point of view at least. They were doing fine up until 78 or so.

After that time, they were pretty busy exporting their brand of Islamic revolution, blowing up barracks in Beirut, etc. This was until they thankfully got bogged down in a long and costly war with Iraq.
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Old 11-14-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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It's hard to say Iran was moving in the right direction in the 80's, from the American point of view at least. They were doing fine up until 78 or so.

After that time, they were pretty busy exporting their brand of Islamic revolution, blowing up barracks in Beirut, etc. This was until they thankfully got bogged down in a long and costly war with Iraq.
It's always been about THEIR oil. We've been over there with our noses a foot deep in their business since the 1930's. It's always about money now isn't it?
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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It's always been about THEIR oil. We've been over there with our noses a foot deep in their business since the 1930's. It's always about money now isn't it?
No, I don't believe that....It is more about their screwball religion and their hatred of Israel. Even Canada has more oil than Iran, and there is no major problems between Canada and the US.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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You know what bugs me:

Is the ignorance about Oil and what Carbon Is to mankind. They (bla, bla: there I said They again) claim that carbon is essentially anti-equilibrium in its' source of self-caused salifying tendency. Oil itself is much carbon based, and it too should be listed as a dangerous chemical. So the global warming is caused by carbon oxidizing; ethanol take it still produces vast amounts of co2.

But oil is O.K. because it has so much chemical options; just as well that the attack on the coal industry be held accountable for ... the war not being stopped and the feeling that-- the west is so threatened.

Sucks; doesn't it to be in Love; not like me; independently wealthy.
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:51 PM
 
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It's always been about THEIR oil. We've been over there with our noses a foot deep in their business since the 1930's. It's always about money now isn't it?
The people who own the oil over there are the same ones who use religion to keep their folks down.
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:56 PM
 
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No, I don't believe that....It is more about their screwball religion and their hatred of Israel. Even Canada has more oil than Iran, and there is no major problems between Canada and the US.
I did not mean just Iran. It began with Saudia Arabia but ever since the thirties every major energy decision has been made with the consideration of the middle eastern oil.

I have a question for you. Do you think that either Gulf war would have been fought had it not been for oil? If the entire area was sand and nothing else you couldn't have hog tied us and dragged us over there.

After the end of the war in Europe Winston Churchill wrote a letter to the white house. In it he informed the United States that when the "spoils of war" were being considered Great Britain would not interfere unless their oil interests were threatened. Think about that. Think about the implications of a statement being made among the two closest allies in that war which more or less stated, "Don't Tread On My Oil!"
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Well, if all there was in the mid east was sand, there would be no threat. Iran wouldn't be trying to build nuclear weapons, Saddam wouldn't have been a threat...The nation with the most oil is Saudi Arabia...Even though they are an Islamic nation they seem to mind their own business.
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:17 PM
 
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Well, if all there was in the mid east was sand, there would be no threat. Iran wouldn't be trying to build nuclear weapons, Saddam wouldn't have been a threat...The nation with the most oil is Saudi Arabia...Even though they are an Islamic nation they seem to mind their own business.
...Not true, sanspeur; the Saudis export a very fundamentalist form of Islam know as Wahabi. It has come back to bite them in the @ss though, as al qaeda has taken their terror to Saudi Arabia itself.
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