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Old 11-16-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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Can the West trust Islam? Plain and simple... NO. There are just too many radicals out there who have no regards for human life and other religions.
Substitute the bolded word with "Christian" and your statement is still true.
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:22 PM
 
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Substitute the bolded word with "Christian" and your statement is still true.
Thought the original Q was about Islam...
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:29 PM
 
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Substitute the bolded word with "Christian" and your statement is still true.
Actually, its not.
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Old 11-17-2009, 04:14 AM
 
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The good thing about Christianity is that it has went through its reformations and now people pretty much have agreed to ignore most of the really bad parts. It still gets silly now and then, and even ugly. But it has largely came to terms with modernity.

Islam had its reformation, but instead of advancing, it actually became more radical and more at odds with modernity. Islam aspires to be more than just a religion, it's an overtly expansionist totalitarian political philosophy. To the extent I disagree with all totalitarian political philosophies in general, I also disagree with political Islam. Even more so since it's not based on any sort of rational idea, but a metaphysical ideology that's at odds with liberalism democracy.
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:34 AM
 
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Post So choosing to fit in or not is still the problem.

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Islam had its reformation, but instead of advancing, it actually became more radical and more at odds with modernity. Islam aspires to be more than just a religion, it's an overtly expansionist totalitarian political philosophy. To the extent I disagree with all totalitarian political philosophies in general, I also disagree with political Islam. Even more so since it's not based on any sort of rational idea, but a metaphysical ideology that's at odds with liberalism democracy.

A serious problem in the West is the nature of achieving what is called a liberal education. What it was for since back in the early seventies was ideal of self discovery, and how many times could a person discover himself before he comes to the conclusion that bottom his talents don't really fit into a pattern of natural skills, or realize that he all along was disputing his parents that he has to fit in.


Somewhere two decades ago it was a matter of the defense of the concerns for the establishment of a prior form of ethics in the very nature of becoming a productive citizen that politicization was developed into the liberal education, into the essence of fitting in the choosing-of-options signing-in values(course freedom, free thinking of the means of communication lessons, realizing good consumer trust). Course freedom was not even to be questioned for a democratic life-style.

Nevertheless, thus was science and is treated advantageously for the wise curriculum of wise and talented students or is it really the opinion to justify? Maybe democracy is first of all a privilege for the concernful few in and by those other middle-eastern societies. Why do we ignore their economical troubles as to situations for (scientific) progress , if their conflicts in politics are much steeped in ill-expensed rituals and forms of socializing for decisions about property dwelling?

So back to the question anyway. Progress is common for the whole planet and all the nations are becoming more inter-dependent. This way the trust is at-least of great value; and though the OPEC handles the major difficulty of scientific essence on the global market and stage, the other smaller issued businesses of agriculture, textiles, and mining and smelting do actually make nothing positive contribution from the middle east for Trust.

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Old 11-17-2009, 07:54 AM
 
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Thought the original Q was about Islam...
Then the wrong question is being asked. The question should be inclusive of all religions. Let's not discriminate against just the "other guy's" beliefs without looking at our own.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:55 AM
 
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Actually, its not.
Then clearly you have not been paying attention.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:50 AM
 
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Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Actually we need more art for that sort of thing; I'm not good at it; is that humble?
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:12 AM
 
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Then the wrong question is being asked. The question should be inclusive of all religions. Let's not discriminate against just the "other guy's" beliefs without looking at our own.
We create separate threads so we don't derail existing ones.
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:31 PM
 
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We create separate threads so we don't derail existing ones.
The question was in regards to trusting followers of a religion. Religions are all very similar, the belief in a deity, based on zero facts to support the belief. Each has it own ego problem, each believing they are the 'only' or the 'chosen'. They are all the root cause of the strife that may well destroy us all when the wrong fanatic comes to power. We came close with Bush, but fortunately his stupidity and utter incompetence caused him to fall way short of his goal of world domination.
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