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Old 12-03-2009, 07:12 AM
 
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Jazzymom.......

As proof you that the Qur'an is not the Word of God ?

let me know now and Is the Torah and the Gospel are also not the Word of God ?

jmoool
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:39 AM
 
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Jazzymom.......

As proof you that the Qur'an is not the Word of God ?

let me know now and Is the Torah and the Gospel are also not the Word of God ?

jmoool

I don't believe any book is literal... I don't need proofs..... My belief is simply my belief.

But I do think its strange that when the quran takes so much from the Tanakh/Bible then Muslims think they have the only truth... We are all people of the book as your quran says.


This is in your quran

The people of the book be they Sabian, Christian or Jew will have no fear if they believe in God and the last days.

What I see in Islam is a hatred of Jews and Christians although they seem to hate Jews more.

I will give no credit to religions that espouse they have the truth and everyone else is lost and in need of saving when I see that is not necessarily in their holy book.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:29 AM
 
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There are many kinds of Muslims. From what I've read Mahmoud Mohamed Taha of Sudan seemed to be an honorable man who died for his opposition to imposing Islamic on non-Muslims and additionally he held a more gender-equal vision of Islam.

Letter from Sudan: The Moderate Martyr : The New Yorker

The Aga Khan seems mostly okay and there are some Sufi orders that seem tolerant. I believe even the more orthodox Nahdlatul Ulama of Indonesia is tolerant to accepting of Jews and others.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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As proof you that the Qur'an is not the Word of God ?

let me know now and Is the Torah and the Gospel are also not the Word of God ?
Well, that makes a three-way stalemate, doesn't it? The difference is that I believe what I believe, and I don't make it a point to tell other people that they're wrong. You seem to be taking the other approach.
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:57 PM
 
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... We are all people of the book as your quran says.


This is in your quran

The people of the book be they Sabian, Christian or Jew will have no fear if they believe in God and the last days.
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Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 2:62

The interpretation of the verse is


the Jews who believed and followed prophet moses until the prophet Jesus came.

and if they did not believe and follow Jesus then they are lost.

and the Christians who believed and followed prophet Jesus until prophet Muhammad came (peace be upon them all)

and if they did not believe and follow Muhammad then they are lost.
And Allaah knows best.


the Messenger of Allaah Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

By the One is Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad,
not one of this nation, Jew or Christian, will hear of me
and will die without having believed in that with which I have been sent,
but he will be one of the dwellers of Hell fire.
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