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Old 12-02-2009, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Evidence comes from that which has been proven through the scientific method. The problem with saying that Islam/the koran is based on evidence is that said 'evidence' is subjective belief not objective fact.

 
Old 12-02-2009, 11:37 PM
 
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Evidence comes from that which has been proven through the scientific method. The problem with saying that Islam/the koran is based on evidence is that said 'evidence' is subjective belief not objective fact.

this is called Al-kaaba the house of Allah it was built by prophet Abraham many thousands years ago








http://wikimapia.org/p/00/00/15/09/29_big.jpg (broken link)




this golden box is called the station of ibrahim .
inside it there is a glass cover and inside the glass cover is a stone and in the stone there is the feet print of prophet ibrahim peace be upon him.

when he was building the kaaba and the kaaba became higher he needed some thing to stand on it so he used this stone and Allah made the stone soft under his feet and his feet sank in it. Until today, one can see the impressions of the feet of Ibrahim on that rock.


The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:

In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures. 3:96.97




 
Old 12-03-2009, 04:49 AM
 
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moonsun, anyone can build a box and encase some foot prints. Neither is evidence of Bigfoot.
 
Old 12-03-2009, 05:39 AM
 
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moonsun, anyone can build a box and encase some foot prints. Neither is evidence of Bigfoot.

Its probably written in the quran somewhere what his footprint looked like... lol
 
Old 12-03-2009, 05:40 AM
 
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Evidence comes from that which has been proven through the scientific method. The problem with saying that Islam/the koran is based on evidence is that said 'evidence' is subjective belief not objective fact.

but its is the religious book thus 100% true and to be taken as fact.....
 
Old 12-03-2009, 12:47 PM
 
Location: East Cleveland
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you people first off have the worst of the worst translations of quran..and then i can tell you guys are asking these rediculous questions with a strong biased against islam already, which is cool, you dont have to accept us nor like us, we dont ask for your acceptance, but if your going to be an intolerate piece of swine filth, atleast have some plausible information on the subject your screaming..by the redicvulous comments i can tell no non muslim here has really read the quran, you watch the 700 club and get bits and pieces of the quran tooken out of context by the bigotry of that network to form these bird brain hypothesis on why muslims do what we do..,,truth is we've been gaining in numbers for years with out heavy "proseltyzing" and missionary missions..and were still the fastsest growning religion, through all the adversity, we will not ever go out quietly, and all transgressors, will have the creator of existence to answer too....
 
Old 12-03-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: East Cleveland
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andf i guarentee i know just as much of your holy bible as you...the one thats been changed and perverted for over 2000 years, the one that has two different creation stories, the one that confirms the holy quran to be true, your god was a good prophet, but that it, he has a creator too....your religion doesnt even make scientific sence, in logic......how could the force that controls "gravity" live within the confounds of gravity..it would natutrally have to trancend it..so how do you guys believe the creator of the vast universe, would walk on earthlike one of us.. that is a haneous lie, even your so called friends "the jews" laugh about your idlotary of jesus behind your back because they know the turth also...salaam malkum,
 
Old 12-03-2009, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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you people first off have the worst of the worst translations of quran..and then i can tell you guys are asking these rediculous questions with a strong biased against islam already, which is cool, you dont have to accept us nor like us, we dont ask for your acceptance, but if your going to be an intolerate piece of swine filth, atleast have some plausible information on the subject your screaming..by the redicvulous comments i can tell no non muslim here has really read the quran, you watch the 700 club and get bits and pieces of the quran tooken out of context by the bigotry of that network to form these bird brain hypothesis on why muslims do what we do..,,truth is we've been gaining in numbers for years with out heavy "proseltyzing" and missionary missions..and were still the fastsest growning religion, through all the adversity, we will not ever go out quietly, and all transgressors, will have the creator of existence to answer too....
Whoa there, you need to lighten up a bit there buddy. that is rather a broad brush you're using...You're not going to get converts using methods like this.
 
Old 12-03-2009, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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andf i guarentee i know just as much of your holy bible as you...the one thats been changed and perverted for over 2000 years, the one that has two different creation stories, the one that confirms the holy quran to be true, your god was a good prophet, but that it, he has a creator too....your religion doesnt even make scientific sence, in logic......how could the force that controls "gravity" live within the confounds of gravity..it would natutrally have to trancend it..so how do you guys believe the creator of the vast universe, would walk on earthlike one of us.. that is a haneous lie, even your so called friends "the jews" laugh about your idlotary of jesus behind your back because they know the turth also...salaam malkum,
And sholom aleichem to you too. You've got a lot to learn about making a case.
 
Old 12-03-2009, 02:12 PM
 
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Samir, I'm not biased against Islam. I disparage all religions equally.
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