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Old 12-04-2009, 11:58 AM
 
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hello everybody

With regard to the many statements in the Quran concerning the sea, some of these facts were not discovered until very recently, and many of them are still unknown. For example, these facts were discovered after hundreds of marine stations had been set up, and after images had been taken by satellites. The one who said this was Professor Schroeder, one of the greatest oceanographers in West Germany. He used to say that if science advanced, religion would have to retreat. But when he heard the translation of the verses of the Quran, he was stunned and said, “These could not be the words of a human being.” And Professor Dorjaro, a professor of oceanography, told us of the latest developments on science, when he heard the verse:

“Or (the state of a disbeliever) is like the darkness in a vast deep sea, overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by dark clouds, (layers of) darkness upon darkness: if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! And he for whom Allah has not appointed light, for him there is no light”(The Quran, 24:40 interpretation of the meaning)

He said, “In the past, man could not dive to a depth of more than twenty meters because he had no special equipment. But now we can dive to the bottom of the ocean, using modern equipment, and we find intense darkness at a depth of two hundred meters.” The verse says a vast deep sea. The discoveries in the depths of the sea give us an understanding of the verse, (layers of) darkness upon darkness. It is known that there are seven colours in the spectrum, including red, yellow, blue, green, orange, etc. When we dive down into the depths of the ocean, these colours disappear one after another, and the disappearance of each colour results in more darkness. Red disappears first, then orange, then yellow the last colour to disappear is blue, at a depth of two hundred meters. Each colour that disappears adds to the darkness until it reaches total darkness. With regard to the phrase waves topped by waves, it has been proven scientifically that there is a separation between the upper and lower parts of the ocean, and that this separation is filled with waves, as if there are waves on the edge of the dark, lower portion of the sea, which we do not see, and there are waves on the shores of the sea, which we do see. So it is as if there are waves above waves. This is a confirmed scientific fact, hence Professor Dorjaro said concerning these Quranic verses, that this cannot be human knowledge.

Taken from Islam-qa.com and al-Adillah al-Maadiyyah ala Wujood-Allaah by Muhammad Mitwalli al-Sharaawi.
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:03 PM
 
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Oh, for the love of.... ah hell, nevermind!
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Old 12-04-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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I really think it's a stretch to imagine that the Quran is telling us something that common sense couldn't tell us. It also mentions dark clouds. I don't believe that anyone in ancient times would have expected the bottom of the ocean to be brightly lit. Even if you're swimming without special equipment and go down as far as you're able to it gets much darker very quickly and if you look down into a deep body of water you can see that it just keeps getting even more dark.
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Old 12-04-2009, 03:29 PM
 
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hello everybody

With regard to the many statements in the Quran concerning the sea, some of these facts were not discovered until very recently, and many of them are still unknown. For example, these facts were discovered after hundreds of marine stations had been set up, and after images had been taken by satellites. The one who said this was Professor Schroeder, one of the greatest oceanographers in West Germany. He used to say that if science advanced, religion would have to retreat. But when he heard the translation of the verses of the Quran, he was stunned and said, “These could not be the words of a human being.” And Professor Dorjaro, a professor of oceanography, told us of the latest developments on science, when he heard the verse:

“Or (the state of a disbeliever) is like the darkness in a vast deep sea, overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by dark clouds, (layers of) darkness upon darkness: if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! And he for whom Allah has not appointed light, for him there is no light”(The Quran, 24:40 interpretation of the meaning)

He said, “In the past, man could not dive to a depth of more than twenty meters because he had no special equipment. But now we can dive to the bottom of the ocean, using modern equipment, and we find intense darkness at a depth of two hundred meters.” The verse says a vast deep sea. The discoveries in the depths of the sea give us an understanding of the verse, (layers of) darkness upon darkness. It is known that there are seven colours in the spectrum, including red, yellow, blue, green, orange, etc. When we dive down into the depths of the ocean, these colours disappear one after another, and the disappearance of each colour results in more darkness. Red disappears first, then orange, then yellow the last colour to disappear is blue, at a depth of two hundred meters. Each colour that disappears adds to the darkness until it reaches total darkness. With regard to the phrase waves topped by waves, it has been proven scientifically that there is a separation between the upper and lower parts of the ocean, and that this separation is filled with waves, as if there are waves on the edge of the dark, lower portion of the sea, which we do not see, and there are waves on the shores of the sea, which we do see. So it is as if there are waves above waves. This is a confirmed scientific fact, hence Professor Dorjaro said concerning these Quranic verses, that this cannot be human knowledge.

Taken from Islam-qa.com and al-Adillah al-Maadiyyah ala Wujood-Allaah by Muhammad Mitwalli al-Sharaawi.
I take it you've never done any scuba diving, the deeper you go the darker it gets, sunlight cannot penetrate but so far in water, this is common knowledge and the colors that you are describing are like those of a prism and the way the sunlight refracts through the water does the same thing and this was known long before anything was written about it in your sacred book, like I said, common sense.
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Old 12-04-2009, 03:57 PM
 
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I've read sea poetry written in the 15th century where people talk about ships sinking into the "dark abyss"

Even the ancients knew the sea was dark, and deep.

You're really stretching that a little to far.
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:01 PM
 
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It is known that there are seven colours in the spectrum, including red, yellow, blue, green, orange, etc. When we dive down into the depths of the ocean, these colours disappear one after another, and the disappearance of each colour results in more darkness. Red disappears first, then orange, then yellow the last colour to disappear is blue, at a depth of two hundred meters. Each colour that disappears adds to the darkness until it reaches total darkness
No, blue is not the last color of the spectrum to wash out with depth. It goes red, orange, yellow, green, blue, INDIGO, VIOLET. It's common knowledge, especially if you're a scuba diver. Plus, the aphotic zone doesn't occur until 1000 meters depth, NOT 200 meters.
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:07 PM
 
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British scientists have discovered waves that flow deep in the Pacific Ocean. Using ocean-going robots they detected the waves flowing eastwards almost a mile deep.
Scientists identify origins of freak waves
The waves - known as Kelvin waves - are much larger, longer and slower than waves seen at the beach and are triggered by changes in the weather patterns above the tropical ocean.
They were known to occur on or near the ocean's surface but the scientists were surprised to find them in the deep ocean.
Deep ocean waves discovered by scientists - Telegraph
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:44 PM
 
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British scientists have discovered waves that flow deep in the Pacific Ocean. Using ocean-going robots they detected the waves flowing eastwards almost a mile deep.
Scientists identify origins of freak waves
The waves - known as Kelvin waves - are much larger, longer and slower than waves seen at the beach and are triggered by changes in the weather patterns above the tropical ocean.
They were known to occur on or near the ocean's surface but the scientists were surprised to find them in the deep ocean.
Deep ocean waves discovered by scientists - Telegraph

... and I thought Quran had all the answers! Why did British scientists (probably christian / atheist/ hindu) have to discover this?

PS: Can you show me if it has directions to solve one basic quadratic equation?
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:06 PM
 
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... and I thought Quran had all the answers! Why did British scientists (probably christian / atheist/ hindu) have to discover this?


The Quran has all the answers for any thing in any field.

And there is no animal that walks upon the earth nor a bird that flies with its two wings but (they are) genera like yourselves;
We have not neglected anything in the Book, then to their Lord shall they be gathered. 6:38


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PS: Can you show me if it has directions to solve one basic quadratic equation?
yes i can.
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:18 PM
 
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The Quran has all the answers for any thing in any field.

And there is no animal that walks upon the earth nor a bird that flies with its two wings but (they are) genera like yourselves;
We have not neglected anything in the Book, then to their Lord shall they be gathered. 6:38




yes i can.
Aaaaannnnd...???? We're waiting...
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