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Old 12-17-2009, 11:27 AM
 
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The movie is evidence enough....It is composed of mostly a collection of news clips of many terrorist attacks and the results of them.
if this movie is evidence enough to you

then good luck with your evidence
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:32 AM
 
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Christianity was NEVER like Islam. There were those that, like Muhammad, took God's name in vain (Which means using God as an excuse for doing evil), but, unlike Muhammad, did it under under the guise of Christianity. Muhammad's mask was that of a prophet.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim: In the Name of The Only GOD, The Beneficent, The Merciful. As salaamu alaikum: The Peace Be Upon You, everyone.


This is really strange because Islam is about the Love of the Only GOD. I wasn't surprised to read an newspaper article by an African who stated that Islam was in Africa millions of years before Prophet Muhammad PBUH (peace be upon Him). Saying that Christianity was never like Islam is suggesting that Christianity worships more than one GOD.


Wassalaam: And the peace (of GOD). devotee
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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Terrorists are the nature of Muhammad. THey are the hands of Muhammad. They share the same murderous need to jealously control other people into worshoping Muhammad over the one true God, or any other God. Less "extreme" Muslims make up excuses for all the evil Muhammad is and the atrocities the religion sanctions. Islam is a prison. There is no freedom of religion, only submission to the perversion of Muhammad's uneducated, jealous views. THe Koran is about forcing people away from the one true God.

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim: In the Name of The Only GOD, The Beneficent, The Merciful. As salaamu alaikum: The Peace Be Upon You, everyone.

If "terrorist" were of the nature of Muhammad PBUH, this corrupt world would be in balance, and Islam would prevail to the good fortune of all of its inhabitants. But you see there are no terrorists in Islam. "The terrorist" are all without/outside of Islam. They are killing the Muslims in the name of "saving," a filthy and wicked way of life.


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Old 12-17-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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From the Sunnah. The hadiths that Muhammad used to corrupt the principles of peace and launch his bloody conquest. There are 199 references to jihad in the most standard collection of hadith, Sahih al-Bukhari, all assume that jihad means warfare.

Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)
Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 52

Muslim traditionalists see that the world is divided into two houses: the House of Islamic Peace (Dar al-Salam). . . in which Muslim governments rule and Muslim law prevails . . . and the House of War (Dar al-Harb), the rest of the world, still inhabited. The presumption is that by natural law these domains will compete and fighting is inevitable . . . therefore the duty of jihad will continue (interrupted only by truces) . . . until all the world either adopts the Muslim faith or submits to Muslim rule.

The stumbling block is the complete lack of a compromise position in Islam from which to establish tolerance for diversity. There isn't any in their raison d'etre.. The Islamic definition of tolerance is dhimmitude under ISLAMIC RULE . . . everything else is a temporary TRUCE state. They are very PATIENT and they view us as an INFANT culture and society compared to theirs.They truly do expect the whole world to eventually be under Islamic rule. They are in no hurry. So which, exactly, are the non-extremists??

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim: In the Name of The Only GOD, The Beneficent, The Merciful. As salaamu alaikum: The Peace Be Upon You, everyone.

When filth and debauchery are held up as models of emulation, should those of higher moral standards lower their values to "establish tolerance for diversity?"

What do you find abhorrent about "dhimmitude" as you put it? If the present rule of Western society were not to continue as is, what form of government/rule, would you consider to be appropos?


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Old 12-17-2009, 05:56 PM
 
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When filth and debauchery are held up as models of emulation, should those of higher moral standards lower their values to "establish tolerance for diversity?"
Well at least it is refreshing to see an honest response instead of the deceitful BS that usually proceeds from Muslim apologists.
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What do you find abhorrent about "dhimmitude" as you put it?
Oh I don't know . . . what is so abhorrent about slavery, lack of freedom, or second-class status in society (or if People of the Book having to pay the Jizya).
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If the present rule of Western society were not to continue as is, what form of government/rule, would you consider to be appropos?
The current one is adequate with a little tweaking and one I am still willing to die for . . . it certainly wouldn't be a primitive barbaric theocratic government created by ignorant superstitious middle eastern savages.
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:07 PM
 
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Well at least it is refreshing to see an honest response instead of the deceitful BS that usually proceeds from Muslim apologists. Oh I don't know . . . what is so abhorrent about slavery, lack of freedom, or second-class status in society (or if People of the Book having to pay the Jizya). The current one is adequate with a little tweaking and one I am still willing to die for . . . it certainly wouldn't be a primitive barbaric theocratic government created by ignorant superstitious middle eastern savages.
Whoa don't you think "middle eastern savages" was going a bit too far?! Look I more than anyone can understand your anger but dude tone it down just a notch. I know I 'm far from the "model poster" but sheesh...
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:34 PM
 
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Whoa don't you think "middle eastern savages" was going a bit too far?! Look I more than anyone can understand your anger but dude tone it down just a notch. I know I 'm far from the "model poster" but sheesh...
I guess you missed the "created by" part.
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:39 PM
 
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I guess you missed the "created by" part.
Still it was a bit "touchy" shall we say...
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:17 PM
 
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Still it was a bit "touchy" shall we say...
It was factual.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:20 PM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim: In the Name of The Only GOD, The Very Merciful, The All Merciful. As salaamu 'alaikum: The Peace Be Upon You, everyone.

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When filth and debauchery are held up as models of emulation, should those of higher moral standards lower their values to "establish tolerance for diversity?"


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Well at least it is refreshing to see an honest response instead of the deceitful BS that usually proceeds from Muslim apologists.

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What do you find abhorrent about "dhimmitude" as you put it?

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Oh I don't know . . . what is so abhorrent about slavery, lack of freedom, or second-class status in society (or if People of the Book having to pay the Jizya).

Generally, the jizya is common to all non-Muslims who [are outside of or] do not accept, the ideology of the Islamic state [Way of Life]. Jizya is referring to the guaranteed rights [and privileges] of the dhimmi, which are protected by the Islamic government. How might it be compared to lack of freedom, or second-class status in society; re: slavery, there is no comparison that I can see, perhaps you care to elaborate.


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If the present rule of Western society were not to continue as is, what form of government/rule, would you consider to be appropos?


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The current one is adequate with a little tweaking and one I am still willing to die for . . . it certainly wouldn't be a primitive barbaric theocratic government created by ignorant superstitious middle eastern savages.

And, are you currently in the military, discharged from the military, intending to join the military??? And how little must the adequate tweaking be to get things in proper balance.



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