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Old 12-18-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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In other words, you can justify murder any time you want to.
Well, at least this is something Muslims and Christians can agree on!
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Old 12-18-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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Well, at least this is something Muslims and Christians can agree on!
No, only when you have foreign forces who act hostile towards your people and treat them like animals, then you have the right to fight them if the locals of that country are agreeing with you.
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Old 12-18-2009, 03:39 PM
 
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Terrorism can't be separated from islum because muhammed who made up islam was the world's greatest known terrorist.
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Old 12-19-2009, 08:34 AM
 
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Terrorism can't be separated from islum because muhammed who made up islam was the world's greatest known terrorist.
No not really, because in every religion there had to be violence of some kind.
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Old 12-19-2009, 08:57 AM
 
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Just when I was beginning to try to see why "we have to go to war in the Middle East" (yeah right) the OP makes a good point about the war being more about religious differences in Islam...
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Old 12-19-2009, 09:33 AM
 
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Just when I was beginning to try to see why "we have to go to war in the Middle East" (yeah right) the OP makes a good point about the war being more about religious differences in Islam...
Well when you have soldiers acting hostile towards the locals, would you expect these people to sit there and do nothing? Obviously not.
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Old 12-19-2009, 10:11 AM
 
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Killing any innocent person in Islam is forbidden, because you cant just kill any person because of their religious beliefs or their country, etc. Im gonna be straight up with everyone here, Islam commands muslims to kill people who invade their country by force and act violently towards their people, for example the Afghani Taliban in Afghanistan are fighting for their country and get a lot of support from the citizens themselves, in Afghanistan the citizens fear the foreign soldiers more than they fear the Taliban, becuase whenever a taliban fighters move into a village, they would build trust with the Afghans and then they would punish any criminal or spy, so they pretty much bring security to the villagers and this is what most Afghans want, so what the Afghani Taliban do in Afghanistan is permissiable in Islam. But the situation in Iraq is different because a lot of iraqis turned against the insurgents after a couple of years because these insurgents were killing innocent people all the time, and a lot of iraqis felt uncomfortable around them.

Basically what that means if the citizens are against the occupation then fight the occupiers, but if they support it then you should stop fighting the occupiers because you would just end up killing civilians.

Groups like Al-Qaeda, Pakistani Taliban, or any other group that commits the same acts are going against the teachings of Islam, because these groups kill muslims in muslim countries too, so its not only westerners who get killed/injured from them.
From what I've seen of Islam is despicable. THey lie about Jesus and God, and when you show any justifiable disgust, they have the gall to say I don't have a right feeling that way towards Muhammad. After all the disgusting lies, the chaos, 911, shooting rampages, beheadings, stonings, bloodbaths, they have the GALL to say I have no right feeling any anger towards the peversion of Muhammad. I find that INCREDIBLE!
Islam creates chaos. It demands people respect and submit to their false prophet in the ways they see fit. There's no freedom to respect Jesus and God or any other religion or phylosophy for what they truly are. They twist and lie to it's people about what is evil and what is not to control them. Intimidation and lies from a hateful , jealous , self proclaimed prophet is the root of Islam.
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:19 PM
 
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From what I've seen of Islam is despicable. THey lie about Jesus and God, and when you show any justifiable disgust, they have the gall to say I don't have a right feeling that way towards Muhammad. After all the disgusting lies, the chaos, 911, shooting rampages, beheadings, stonings, bloodbaths, they have the GALL to say I have no right feeling any anger towards the peversion of Muhammad. I find that INCREDIBLE!
Islam creates chaos. It demands people respect and submit to their false prophet in the ways they see fit. There's no freedom to respect Jesus and God or any other religion or phylosophy for what they truly are. They twist and lie to it's people about what is evil and what is not to control them. Intimidation and lies from a hateful , jealous , self proclaimed prophet is the root of Islam.
That dosen't mean all muslims are bad, same goes to Christians.

Your soldiers kill, rape and arrest innocent muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan does that make us hate your religion? No. But the people who live in Iraq and Afghanistan view Christianty the same way you guys view Islam. Also a lot of innocent muslims get tortured & arrested without charges, some of them are minors and all of this happens under the U.S. control in Bagram prison and Guantanamo Bay. Some of these people have been arrested for the last 8 years with no charges, got tortured, humiliated, their health worsened, and their life in general changed. How do you expect some muslims to sit there and watch it happens, this is how AQ takes advantage of these victims which puts you guys on risk, but if the U.S. arrested people who only have links with terrorism then global terrorism would defenitly decrease.

Dont always put the blame on muslims because your people make mistakes too, no one is perfect.
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Old 12-19-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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That dosen't mean all muslims are bad, same goes to Christians.

Your soldiers kill, rape and arrest innocent muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan does that make us hate your religion? No. But the people who live in Iraq and Afghanistan view Christianty the same way you guys view Islam. Also a lot of innocent muslims get tortured & arrested without charges, some of them are minors and all of this happens under the U.S. control in Bagram prison and Guantanamo Bay. Some of these people have been arrested for the last 8 years with no charges, got tortured, humiliated, their health worsened, and their life in general changed. How do you expect some muslims to sit there and watch it happens, this is how AQ takes advantage of these victims which puts you guys on risk, but if the U.S. arrested people who only have links with terrorism then global terrorism would defenitly decrease.

Dont always put the blame on muslims because your people make mistakes too, no one is perfect.

It wasn't Christianity that led the US into the Middle East. It was the evil of Islam. It is ALL their fault. It is the evil of Islam that started and perpetuates the WHOLE THING from the beggining. THe middle East is nothing but a rat's nest of Islam maniacs that constantly needs to wage war on their nieghbors. All those Islammists blaming everyone out of their irrisponsibility towards God and mankind like a bunch of crybaby idiots that absolutely refuse to take responsibility for anything no matter how disgustingly evil. Muhammad is the antichrist. He is the epitome of evil, but he is the only thing any one of you arabs listen to, with absolutely no regard for the truth. You are all LOST!!! The only thing I have seen from Islam is cowardice, ignorant, weak-minded people whose only interest is to gain love of the world by showing reverence to a liar, pervert, murderer, rapists, pedophile!! and no interest in gaining the love from God or anything with any kind of sanity. YOu are ALL INSANE!!! If you aren't the violent one's, you are the silent one's that cover it up and get offended whenever anyone spits on Muhammad like we all SHOULD do. You honestly can't see the error of your ways, pointing the finger to place the blame on anyone but yourselves. You are truly Pathetic!

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Old 12-20-2009, 08:34 AM
 
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It wasn't Christianity that led the US into the Middle East. It was the evil of Islam. It is ALL their fault. It is the evil of Islam that started and perpetuates the WHOLE THING from the beggining. THe middle East is nothing but a rat's nest of Islam maniacs that constantly needs to wage war on their nieghbors. All those Islammists blaming everyone out of their irrisponsibility towards God and mankind like a bunch of crybaby idiots that absolutely refuse to take responsibility for anything no matter how disgustingly evil. Muhammad is the antichrist. He is the epitome of evil, but he is the only thing any one of you arabs listen to, with absolutely no regard for the truth. You are all LOST!!! The only thing I have seen from Islam is cowardice, ignorant, weak-minded people whose only interest is to gain love of the world by showing reverence to a liar, pervert, murderer, rapists, pedophile!! and no interest in gaining the love from God or anything with any kind of sanity. YOu are ALL INSANE!!! If you aren't the violent one's, you are the silent one's that cover it up and get offended whenever anyone spits on Muhammad like we all SHOULD do. You honestly can't see the error of your ways, pointing the finger to place the blame on anyone but yourselves. You are truly Pathetic!
How are you saying its Islam's fault? Lol, your not making any sense, so what you're trying to say is the U.S. invaded the two countries just because these people believed in Islam, Ok.

First of all the U.S.had a plan that they were going to invade both countries before even 9/11, their plan was to invade Iraq, then Afghanistan because Bush knew that he could justify his actions to invade Iraq because the U.S. government used Saddam until his reputation was terrible, Saddam was really dumb to listen to the U.S.

The U.S. supported Saddam during the Iraq-Iran war in the 1980s because they knew that Saddam was the only guy they could use who has a decent army, the U.S. funded Iraq in that war, and then in the early 1990s before Iraq invaded Kuwait, Saddam asked the U.S. if he could invade Kuwait and the U.S. gave him the green light because the U.S. knew Saddam's reputation would get worse and eventually they would have a good reason to invade Iraq with the Oil they have. After Bush became a president, Iraq was his main target, but at the same time they were arming and funding the Northen Alliance to fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan because they did not have a good reason that will convince the Americans to invade Afghanistan. After 9/11 the whole plan changed and the U.S. decided to invade Afghanistan which was a big mistake because 9/11 was planned in America and Europe not in Afghanistan. The Taliban anyways agreed to handover Bin-Laden to a third world country but the U.S. made a dumb decision by refusing, sadly U.S.after 9 years, the U.S. have yet to capture Bin-Laden. Just to be clear with you, Al Qaeda planned these attacks without Mullah Omar(leader of Afghani Taliban) knowing about it, because the Taliban wanted to handover Bin-Laden even before 9/11 but no one seemed to care or even listen to them. If the leaders of the Taliban knew that Bin-Laden was planning the 9/11 attacks then they would have expelled him from the country, these attacks came to them as a surprise. Bin-Laden and his crew took advantage of their stay in Afghanistan and they're the ones who screwed the Taliban and brought misery to the Afghans. Also Afghanistan was an important country to invade because they were the weakest in the region and the U.S. wanted to keep an eye on Russia and China by occupying Afghanistan.

2 years after that the U.S. tried to tell everyone that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam had connections with Al-Qaeda and 9/11, but in reality Saddam was against Al-Qaeda, he was just a secular guy who realized that he got used by the U.S. a lot and when he started refusing to listen to them, the U.S. started accusing him with random stuff just so they invade Iraq because they had Oil as much as Saudi Arabia.

People who live in Iraq, Afghanistan, NW Pakistan, have been terrorized by your soldiers so much, that they view Christianity in such a negative way, the same way some of you guys view Islam.

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