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Old 12-20-2009, 04:45 PM
 
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How are you saying its Islam's fault? Lol, your not making any sense, so what you're trying to say is the U.S. invaded the two countries just because these people believed in Islam, Ok.

First of all the U.S.had a plan that they were going to invade both countries before even 9/11, their plan was to invade Iraq, then Afghanistan because Bush knew that he could justify his actions to invade Iraq because the U.S. government used Saddam until his reputation was terrible, Saddam was really dumb to listen to the U.S.

The U.S. supported Saddam during the Iraq-Iran war in the 1980s because they knew that Saddam was the only guy they could use who has a decent army, the U.S. funded Iraq in that war, and then in the early 1990s before Iraq invaded Kuwait, Saddam asked the U.S. if he could invade Kuwait and the U.S. gave him the green light because the U.S. knew Saddam's reputation would get worse and eventually they would have a good reason to invade Iraq with the Oil they have. After Bush became a president, Iraq was his main target, but at the same time they were arming and funding the Northen Alliance to fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan because they did not have a good reason that will convince the Americans to invade Afghanistan. After 9/11 the whole plan changed and the U.S. decided to invade Afghanistan which was a big mistake because 9/11 was planned in America and Europe not in Afghanistan. The Taliban anyways agreed to handover Bin-Laden to a third world country but the U.S. made a dumb decision by refusing, sadly U.S.after 9 years, the U.S. have yet to capture Bin-Laden. Just to be clear with you, Al Qaeda planned these attacks without Mullah Omar(leader of Afghani Taliban) knowing about it, because the Taliban wanted to handover Bin-Laden even before 9/11 but no one seemed to care or even listen to them. If the leaders of the Taliban knew that Bin-Laden was planning the 9/11 attacks then they would have expelled him from the country, these attacks came to them as a surprise. Bin-Laden and his crew took advantage of their stay in Afghanistan and they're the ones who screwed the Taliban and brought misery to the Afghans. Also Afghanistan was an important country to invade because they were the weakest in the region and the U.S. wanted to keep an eye on Russia and China by occupying Afghanistan.

2 years after that the U.S. tried to tell everyone that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam had connections with Al-Qaeda and 9/11, but in reality Saddam was against Al-Qaeda, he was just a secular guy who realized that he got used by the U.S. a lot and when he started refusing to listen to them, the U.S. started accusing him with random stuff just so they invade Iraq because they had Oil as much as Saudi Arabia.

People who live in Iraq, Afghanistan, NW Pakistan, have been terrorized by your soldiers so much, that they view Christianity in such a negative way, the same way some of you guys view Islam.

Islam is the reason for all the chaos in the middle east. Everything from the beheadings, terrorism, stonings, abuse to women etc.... The constant turmoil is caused because of Muhammad's influence on everybody. As long as he continues to abstruct all good faith, it will continue indefinately. You can moan and groan about the US being there, but the way Islam is, it could have been anybody or any country that does not believe in your horrible little "prophet". Islam is very much Nazi. It is an evil cult that is bent of controlling people.
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Old 12-20-2009, 06:24 PM
 
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Islam is the reason for all the chaos in the middle east. Everything from the beheadings, terrorism, stonings, abuse to women etc.... The constant turmoil is caused because of Muhammad's influence on everybody. As long as he continues to abstruct all good faith, it will continue indefinately. You can moan and groan about the US being there, but the way Islam is, it could have been anybody or any country that does not believe in your horrible little "prophet". Islam is very much Nazi. It is an evil cult that is bent of controlling people.
So the innocent people that died in Iraq and Afghanistan are animals to you, just because they're not white or Christian? These innocent people that get killed by your soldiers, most of them struggle with life, most of them struggle to feed their families or even themselves.

Only murderers and rapists get beheaded and it happens in Saudi Arabia. If you're going to tell me beheadings happen in Iraq and Afghanistan, then these beheadings happend after the invasion, Afghanistan was such a safe place for any person to visit under the Taliban, same with Iraq. Stonings is not even practised anymore, maybe in some parts of Somalia it does. Abusing women happens everywhere in the world, its a common thing so stop putting all the blame on Muslims, because it happens in Africa, Asia, North America, Europe, South America, and other parts. Terrorism is wrong and its unacceptable, Islam dosent forbid anyone from protecting his/her country from foreign forces who act hostile towards his/her people.

Stop accusing the Muslim faith of everything, can you explain to me why some Christian bibles teach rasicm towards black people? Can you explain to me why the Nazis killed 6 million Jews if they actulley believed in Jesus? Can you explain to me why rasicm is common in religious parts of Europe?

This is like me saying Christianity is the reason we had WWII, deaths of 6 million Jews, rasict groups like KKK, skinheads, Nazis, etc
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Old 12-20-2009, 07:34 PM
 
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Killing any innocent person in Islam is forbidden, because you cant just kill any person because of their religious beliefs or their country, etc. Im gonna be straight up with everyone here, Islam commands muslims to kill people who invade their country by force and act violently towards their people, for example the Afghani Taliban in Afghanistan are fighting for their country and get a lot of support from the citizens themselves, in Afghanistan the citizens fear the foreign soldiers more than they fear the Taliban, becuase whenever a taliban fighters move into a village, they would build trust with the Afghans and then they would punish any criminal or spy, so they pretty much bring security to the villagers and this is what most Afghans want, so what the Afghani Taliban do in Afghanistan is permissiable in Islam. But the situation in Iraq is different because a lot of iraqis turned against the insurgents after a couple of years because these insurgents were killing innocent people all the time, and a lot of iraqis felt uncomfortable around them.

Basically what that means if the citizens are against the occupation then fight the occupiers, but if they support it then you should stop fighting the occupiers because you would just end up killing civilians.

Groups like Al-Qaeda, Pakistani Taliban, or any other group that commits the same acts are going against the teachings of Islam, because these groups kill muslims in muslim countries too, so its not only westerners who get killed/injured from them.
Unless they are non believers....

Quran 2:254

Yusuf Ali:
O ye who believe! Spend out of (the bounties) We have provided for you, before the Day comes when no bargaining (Will avail), nor friendship nor intercession. Those who reject Faith they are the wrong-doers.

Zohurul Hoque:
O you who believe! spend out of what We have provided you with before there comes the Day in which there is no bartering, neither friendship nor any intercession. And the Unbelievers- they are the wrongdoers.

T. J. Irving: You who believe, spend some of what We have provided you with before a day comes along in which there will be no bartering, friendship, nor any intercession! Disbelievers are such evildoers.

T.U. Hilali-M. Khan:
O you who believe! Spend of that with which We have provided for you, before a Day comes when there will be no bargaining, nor friendship, nor intercession. And it is the disbelievers who are the Zālimūn (wrong-doers, etc.).

M. Pickthall:
O ye who believe! spend of that wherewith We have provided you ere a day come when there will be no trafficking, nor friendship, nor intercession. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers.

M.H. Shakir:
O you who believe! spend out of what We have given you before the day comes in which there is no bargaining, neither any friendship nor intercession, and the unbelievers — they are the unjust.


If you are a wrong doer, you are not innocent in the eyes of those who believe in the quran.
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Old 12-20-2009, 07:59 PM
 
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Unless they are non believers....

Quran 2:254

Yusuf Ali:
O ye who believe! Spend out of (the bounties) We have provided for you, before the Day comes when no bargaining (Will avail), nor friendship nor intercession. Those who reject Faith they are the wrong-doers.

Zohurul Hoque:
O you who believe! spend out of what We have provided you with before there comes the Day in which there is no bartering, neither friendship nor any intercession. And the Unbelievers- they are the wrongdoers.

T. J. Irving: You who believe, spend some of what We have provided you with before a day comes along in which there will be no bartering, friendship, nor any intercession! Disbelievers are such evildoers.

T.U. Hilali-M. Khan:
O you who believe! Spend of that with which We have provided for you, before a Day comes when there will be no bargaining, nor friendship, nor intercession. And it is the disbelievers who are the Zālimūn (wrong-doers, etc.).

M. Pickthall:
O ye who believe! spend of that wherewith We have provided you ere a day come when there will be no trafficking, nor friendship, nor intercession. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers.

M.H. Shakir:
O you who believe! spend out of what We have given you before the day comes in which there is no bargaining, neither any friendship nor intercession, and the unbelievers — they are the unjust.


If you are a wrong doer, you are not innocent in the eyes of those who believe in the quran.
Gplex, anyone who believes in his faith believes his faith is right. You can't really accuse muslims of being the only people with religious diffrences, because Christians believe that the non-believers will go to hell , same thing goes to jews, sikhs, hindus, etc.
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:35 PM
 
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Gplex, anyone who believes in his faith believes his faith is right. You can't really accuse muslims of being the only people with religious diffrences, because Christians believe that the non-believers will go to hell , same thing goes to jews, sikhs, hindus, etc.
But . . . they let God handle them. They don't carry out the sentence here on earth using the power of the state or their own personal vengeance . . . the Muslims do!
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Old 12-20-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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But . . . they let God handle them. They don't carry out the sentence here on earth using the power of the state or their own personal vengeance . . . the Muslims do!
Well when you have soldiers acting hostile towards the locals, would you expect these people to sit there and do nothing? Obviously not.
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Old 12-20-2009, 10:52 PM
 
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Well when you have soldiers acting hostile towards the locals, would you expect these people to sit there and do nothing? Obviously not.
This is absurd . . . they are there to protect the INNOCENT locals. The others are fanatic jihadis.
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Old 12-21-2009, 05:09 AM
 
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Gplex, anyone who believes in his faith believes his faith is right.
I know, it's hard to reason with people who don't need evidence for their belief.

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You can't really accuse muslims of being the only people with religious diffrences, because Christians believe that the non-believers will go to hell , same thing goes to jews, sikhs, hindus, etc.
I didn't accuse Muslims of anything. I quoted several translation by respected Islamic scholars in response to the OP claim that the Taliban was not following Islamic rules when killing innocent people.
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Old 12-21-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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This is absurd . . . they are there to protect the INNOCENT locals. The others are fanatic jihadis.
Maybe nowadays in Iraq yeah, but not in Afghanistan, because sadly in Afghanistan the Afghani Taliban took that role and thats why they win a lot of support.
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Old 12-21-2009, 10:44 AM
 
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I didn't accuse Muslims of anything. I quoted several translation by respected Islamic scholars in response to the OP claim that the Taliban was not following Islamic rules when killing innocent people.
When i talk about the Taliban, i mean the Afghani Taliban not the Pakistani Taliban because the Pakistani Taliban are the ones responsible for killing innocent people.
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