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Old 12-28-2009, 12:39 PM
 
Location: south saudi
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Islam is responsible as long as those Muslims are in Dar al-Harb and not Dar al-Salam. You expect Israel to just tolerate the presence of killers (jihadis) in their midst killing innocent Israelis (I know under Islam there is no such thing as an innocent Israeli as long as Israel exists.). You bring the retaliation on yourselves in futile efforts to destroy Israel.


(jihadis) Who are defending themselves and their people from the violence of Israel Which are still besieged to the people of Gaza at the moment

I do not know how the alleged killer of peace and is still killing innocent people .....It is ridiculous


anyway that futile efforts to ( come back Aqsa to Muslims) will not continue trivial will one day grow up without a doubt


The promise of God will comeing to us as muslim ...


Will return the rights of Muslims , God willing .....


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Old 12-28-2009, 01:06 PM
 
Location: South Africa
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Maybe you folk should take your arguments to the political forum. There are very few Jews here and you are not going to win any converts from xians, atheists or Jews.

This IMO is merely a political slant and has no place in the R&P forum. Not much anyone here can do about the Palestine conflict other than get heated opinions.

Mods please....
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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Some verses are reffered to today about self defence and other stuff similar to that. But there is also a lot of verses that are related to the wars during the muslims used to have.
No, where does it say these verse do not only apply today? I have no recollection of it ever saying anything like that any where in the quran.
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Unknown
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No, where does it say these verse do not only apply today? I have no recollection of it ever saying anything like that any where in the quran.
Some verses apply to the battles the prophet Muhammed or Muslims in general had with the Jews, Chrsitians, and some verses refer to today.
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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the taliban aint never left afghistan/pakistan..that was al'quaida, a whole seperate entity...those hi-jackers werent afghans, they were arabs....
The Taliban is Saudi Arabian in its roots. Wahabis, one and all.

Afghans do not attack other countries unless it is a border issue with Pakistan. The Pashtuns are warrior-like but they usually fight each other.

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Old 12-28-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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Some verses apply to the battles the prophet Muhammed or Muslims in general had with the Jews, Chrsitians, and some verses refer to today.
But where does it say it doesn't apply today!
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yesterday....

2009.12.27 (Muzaffarabad, Pakistan) - A Shahid suicide bomber blows himself up at a rival mosque, taking at least eleven innocents with him.
2009.12.27 (Sadda, Pakistan) - Islamic fundamentalists blow up a family home, killing six occupants.
2009.12.27 (Yala, Thailand) - Islamists shoot two men to death as they are riding a motorcycle.

Earlier today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xq0t...layer_embedded
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Unknown
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The Taliban is Saudi Arabian in its roots. Wahabis, one and all. Many of the Talibs in Afghanistan ARE Afghans. Ask the tribes on either side of the border. Many switch sides as often as Dostum does.
Dont compare them to Dostum, Dostum is a criminal and he should be tried for his crimes, that guy dosent deserve to live, he massacred, raped, etc innocent people.
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Unknown
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But where does it say it doesn't apply today!
Ok when these Muslims used to have battles against Jews, Chrsitians, etc these verses about war was written down during the wars, thats why some of them are violent but at the same time other verses were also written for Muslims not to be violent unless if someone invades your country by force and acts hostile towards your people. Similar to whats happening in Afghanistan.
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Dont compare them to Dostum, Dostum is a criminal and he should be tried for his crimes, that guy dosent deserve to live, he massacred, raped, etc innocent people.
I am well aware of who and what Dostum is. He is a watanfaroush alcoholic and despicable person.

I feel equal disgust for both him and the Wahabi Talibs.
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