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Old 12-28-2009, 04:52 PM
 
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I am well aware of who and what Dostum is. He is a watanfaroush alcoholic and despicable person.

I feel equal disgust for both him and the Wahabi Talibs.
The Afghani Taliban are better on so many ways than that criminal, because at least they provided something positive to their people.
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:01 PM
 
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The Afghani Taliban are better on so many ways than that criminal, because at least they provided something positive to their people.
You have got to be kidding. What did the Taliban provide to the Afghans? And, don't you dare say "security" because there was no security. Men and women were beaten on the streets. No school for girls at all and the boys could only attend fundu Islamic schools where they memorized the Quran but did not learn a thing except how to pronounce Arab words when they could not even translate Arabic. They were not taught to write even their own languages of Dari and Pashto. And, the girls were locked in purdah until they were given away in family blood feuds or to ancient Talibs like chattel when they were age 9. Women received no medical care because the Taliban chased out the Red Cross and the Red Crescent. Plus, a male doctor could not treat a female patient...even if she was dying in childbirth. Afghans were eating grass GRASS to survive while the Talibs were having their makeup-enhanced pictures taken with their "pals" in Kabul. Where is the religion in that?

The Taliban burned the trees, uprooted grape vines all over the Shomali Plain and then SALTED THE EARTH so it would never grow anything again. Plus, they forced a fundamentalist form on Islam on the population (who were just fine with the Islam they believed in before the Taliban started stomping Afghanistan into the ground with its Wahabi fed brutality).

And because of all this Afghans comprise the largest Diaspora on the planet. They had to leave their homes and their watan in order to save the lives of their children. They got out without anything. No photos, no books, and only the clothes on their backs.

All this is supposedly in the name of Islam. Well, I'm here to declare that it is not in the name of Islam. It's in the name of greedy, filthy monsters. And they are inflicting all this dispair on fellow Muslims. And they are now killing everyone in the country they can get their hands on.

So, don't tell me that the Taliban did some good. They are monsters from hell and, inshallah, they will pay for the damage they have inflicted on innocent people including Western troops who are there to protect the innocent and chase the Taliban off the planet.

Oh, one more thing: An "Afghani" is a unit of money. Afghans are not Afghanis and the Taliban is mostly Arabs and some crazy people from Pakistan along with traitor Afghans.
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:04 PM
 
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The Afghani Taliban are better on so many ways than that criminal, because at least they provided something positive to their people.
Taliban better? Are you Taliban? The Taliban are vicious animals who need to be caught, caged or exterminated.

Here is a tiny example of their "work".
"They burnt some of us alive." It was almost the first thing he said to us. In the dust and squalor of a refugee camp, Salahuddin told yesterday how the Taliban burnt an entire family to death in their own home in revenge for the American bombing.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/stories-of-taliban-atrocities-spread-as-villagers-flee-over-the-front-line-616396.html
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:37 PM
 
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On the bright side, in neighboring Pakistan, free market is making a comeback. Just a few days ago, a 20 yr old girl was auctioned off to a 50 yr old man for $3203 - with the brothers of the girl sharing the proceeds - cool eh? The couple was married by the mullah. Apparently, no one there condemed the act! Imagine how crappy a 20-yr old would feel about this.....
Woman sold in public auction in Pakistan -- for $3,200 - Jihad Watch
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:21 PM
 
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You have got to be kidding. What did the Taliban provide to the Afghans? And, don't you dare say "security" because there was no security. Men and women were beaten on the streets. No school for girls at all and the boys could only attend fundu Islamic schools where they memorized the Quran but did not learn a thing except how to pronounce Arab words when they could not even translate Arabic. They were not taught to write even their own languages of Dari and Pashto. And, the girls were locked in purdah until they were given away in family blood feuds or to ancient Talibs like chattel when they were age 9. Women received no medical care because the Taliban chased out the Red Cross and the Red Crescent. Plus, a male doctor could not treat a female patient...even if she was dying in childbirth. Afghans were eating grass GRASS to survive while the Talibs were having their makeup-enhanced pictures taken with their "pals" in Kabul. Where is the religion in that?

The Taliban burned the trees, uprooted grape vines all over the Shomali Plain and then SALTED THE EARTH so it would never grow anything again. Plus, they forced a fundamentalist form on Islam on the population (who were just fine with the Islam they believed in before the Taliban started stomping Afghanistan into the ground with its Wahabi fed brutality).

And because of all this Afghans comprise the largest Diaspora on the planet. They had to leave their homes and their watan in order to save the lives of their children. They got out without anything. No photos, no books, and only the clothes on their backs.

All this is supposedly in the name of Islam. Well, I'm here to declare that it is not in the name of Islam. It's in the name of greedy, filthy monsters. And they are inflicting all this dispair on fellow Muslims. And they are now killing everyone in the country they can get their hands on.

So, don't tell me that the Taliban did some good. They are monsters from hell and, inshallah, they will pay for the damage they have inflicted on innocent people including Western troops who are there to protect the innocent and chase the Taliban off the planet.

Oh, one more thing: An "Afghani" is a unit of money. Afghans are not Afghanis and the Taliban is mostly Arabs and some crazy people from Pakistan along with traitor Afghans.
You have to know the truth, stop listening to the media.

I have this Afghani friend who lived under the Taliban and she told me how life was better off under them than it is now, because they brought security and curbed corruption, she told me about how a lot Afghans today prefer to have the Taliban back in control and i would believe this girl more than i would believe a group of soldiers who know nothing about Afghanistan, just go there believing the lies they hear on TV.

You guys talk about burqa as if this was something new to the Afghans, this is their culture people, you people need to get educated, you cant really change it anytime soon, Afghans want their women to wear burqa, the women feel comfortable with these burqas, the burqa protects women from getting raped nowadays why women wear it, the Afghans laugh at how you guys think a burqa is something bad, and this would not change today or tommorow. When the westerners used to be religious ad backward, did anyone invade their countries to change the way they live? No, but they changed throught the years.

So you think women had rights before the Taliban came to power? You must be kidding me man, the mujahidin groups treated women worse than animals, for four ****ing years these women were not respected by these groups, they raped a lot of women, they even raped 70 year olds, they forced women out of their houses, sometimes they married them by force, they sold them into prostitution, they killed anyone that they felt like killing, they killed people in the streets randomly infront of children, When two fighting tribes wanted reconciliation, they would exchange women, women did not even have rights for anything, these animals were responsible for killing up to 63,000 people in Kabul alone, all of this happend from 1992-1996.

Back then there was no such group called the Taliban, ''Seeing this destruction and lawlessness, a group of students called the Taliban, i.e. a group of students (Taliban is the plural of student in our language; it may be two students in Arabic, but in our language it means students) started a movement called the Movement of Students. It first started in a village in the southern province of Afghanistan, called Kandahar. It happened when a war-lord, or a commander abducted two minor girls and violated them. The parents of those girls went to a school and asked the teacher of the school to help them. The teacher of that school, along with his 53 students, finding only 16 guns, went and attacked the base of that commander. After releasing those two girls, they hanged that commander, and so many of his people were also hanged. This story was told everywhere. BBC also quoted this story. Hearing this story, many other students joined this movement and started disarming the rest of the warlords. This same students movement now controls 95% of the country including its capital. Only a bunch of those warlords are remaining in the northern corridor of Afghanistan.''

Ketabcha these criminals i mentioned above are all enjoying their times right now, working in the government and get supported by foreign countries to defeat the so called enemy the ''Taliban''.

After Taliban captured Kabul women were not allowed to go out for their own saftey unless with a male companion to protect them if anything happend for the first couple of months, because women were at risk of getting raped or killed, and thats why the Taliban started disarming people and established law and order, after that schools were established for both males and females but segregated and i dont know what the west was whining for, women were allowed to go out by themselves, When the Taliban ordered that there should be segregated schools, it did not mean that they don't want their women to be educated. It is true that they were against co-education; but it is not true that they were against women's education, they reopened the faculty of Science of medical science in all major cities of Afghanistan and in Kandahar. There were more girls students studying in the faculty of medical sciences than boys, but they are segregated. And the Swedish committees established schools for girls.

The sad thing is the Taliban were under sanction for destroying a ****ing statue that did not help the Afghans in any way. hundreds of children died in one month, all in all Seven hundred children died because of malnutrition and the severe cold weather because of these sanctions and nobody even talked about that, sadly the world was still crying about the statues.

Today a lot of Afghans would welcome the Afghani Taliban back, im not gonna lie, when the U.S. first invaded Afghanistan a lot of Afghans celebrated because they thought their lives were going to change to the better but after a couple years the situation started to get worse each year, and today most Afghans want the Taliban back in power, because under the Taliban, Afghanistan had good security, curbed corruption, cut the drug trade by 91-97% in a year and a half, they were strict on drug users, everyone got treated equally, unemployment rate was 8%, life expectancy was higher for both genders, women could go out without getting raped or even harrased, Sikhs and hindus had a better life under the Taliban, Today Afghanistan is in a better condition than before 1996 is because of the Taliban, Afghanistan was formerly fragmented into five parts but the Taliban unified it when nobody else could do it, if it wasn't for the Taliban the situation in Afghanistan would be similar to Somalia or worse, they disarmed almost all Afghans, The sad thing about this war is most people in the west think that these Afghans have their freedoms but what happens in that country is the opposite of what you guys think, there is still no HUMAN RIGHTS!! in Afghanistan, overall life was better under Taliban.

Look at how much the media was lying about them, and they were getting pressured from the international communities for lies but they still succeeded and overcame the sanctions that faced its people and improved Afghanistan as a country.

The thing that pisses me off about it is its like you're working really hard, trying your best and eventually improve, then randomly a foreign country comes in and ruins everything for you, and makes you start all over.

Honestly answer these 2 questions

1. ''If you were in such a situation what would you do? If your children are dying in front of your eyes, and you are under sanctions, and then the same people who have imposed sanctions and are coming and building statues here? What would you do?''

The thing is, the world cared about the statue more than they cared about the Afghans, this thing actulley drives me mad but still on top of that the Taliban managed to rank 93rd in the total income of Afghanistan, and today with all the help Karzai gets, the total income ranks 116th.

2. I wanna ask you this, Would you be happy to see foreign soldiers who know nothing about your country, culture, etc go in your country and act hostile towards your people. They wipe out villages, bomb random houses, wedding celebrations, and those that die are innocents mostly women and children, killing/injuring random people in the streets just because they think they're taliban when they're not, drugs easily accessible, prostitution flourishing, politicans of your country are so corrupted that they dont even care about their citizens, president's brother makes 90% from the opium production and still gets paid by the CIA, drug addicts make up 2-4% of the population, crime cases go unsolved, etc.

No wonder you would find the Taliban operates around 80% Afghanistan because the Afghans are tired of these acts. BTW the Taliban fighters you see today, 90% of them were not with the Taliban back from 1996-2001. These Taliban fighters are just ordinary Afghans who are out there to take revenge from these western forces. No wonder you would find the Taliban operates around 80% Afghanistan because the Afghans are tired of these acts. BTW the Taliban fighters you see today, 90% of them were not with the Taliban back from 1996-2001. These Taliban fighters are just ordinary Afghans who are out there to take revenge from these western forces.

If the Afghani Taliban were that cruel then today they wouldn't be winning a lot of support, they would've been eliminated 6-7 years ago.

Just one more thing, in august 2001 there 950 beds for women patients in Kabul's hospitals and now there is only 350 beds.

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Old 12-28-2009, 09:22 PM
 
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Taliban better? Are you Taliban? The Taliban are vicious animals who need to be caught, caged or exterminated.

Here is a tiny example of their "work".
"They burnt some of us alive." It was almost the first thing he said to us. In the dust and squalor of a refugee camp, Salahuddin told yesterday how the Taliban burnt an entire family to death in their own home in revenge for the American bombing.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/stories-of-taliban-atrocities-spread-as-villagers-flee-over-the-front-line-616396.html
Thats the Pakistani Taliban, they get funded by India, they have no relations with the Afghani Taliban. The Pakistani Taliban should get wiped out soon because they have no mercy on no body.
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:32 PM
 
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The bravest woman of Afghanistan is against this occupation,
Afghan Activist Malalai Joya Says the Occupation Harms Women's Rights | Women's Rights | Change.org



Afghan Activist Malalai Joya Says the Occupation Harms Women's Rights | Women's Rights | Change.org
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Malalai Joya is often called "the bravest woman in Afghanistan." I'd go further and laud her as one of the bravest female activists in the world -- not only for standing up in front of the Afghan p... ...
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:47 PM
 
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Oh yeah, the Taliban really treat women well...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjNO-UO5ds
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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Oh yeah, the Taliban really treat women well...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjNO-UO5ds
If one police officer beats a man or a woman in the U.S., do we blame the whole United States Police Force?

And the man who beat that woman with the stick was relieved of his command and punished.
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:28 PM
 
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If one police officer beats a man or a woman in the U.S., do we blame the whole United States Police Force?

And the man who beat that woman with the stick was relieved of his command and punished.
You know this how? Are you Taliban?...The video records just one of thousands of incidents...You are defending the indefensible...In the Taliban world women are nothing but property, and can be beat upon by men for next to nothing...

Women were forced to wear the burqa in public, because, according to a Taliban spokesman, "the face of a woman is a source of corruption" for men not related to them. They were not allowed to work, they were not allowed to be educated after the age of eight, and until then were permitted only to study the Qur'an. Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught. They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperone, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. They faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban's laws. The Taliban allowed and in some cases encouraged marriage for girls under the age of 16. Amnesty International reported that 80 percent of Afghan marriages were considered to be by force.
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