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Old 01-18-2010, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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as muslim (The only way to God)

allah said ( And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter. (Quran, 3:85)


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Yeah, but everybody says that about their religion and has a quote to "prove" it.

And men wrote all the quotes, their claims to divine inspiration notwithstanding.
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Old 01-18-2010, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Unknown
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The American LIBERATION of Iraq has enabled them to choose their own government, create their own Constitution, and develop their own security forces . The ongoing feud has NOTHING to do with our liberation of Iraq and assistance in supporting their efforts at self-rule after so many decades under dictatorship. The Muslim obligation to deceive and misrepresent cannot overcome the truth and reality.
MysticPhD lets get real, i dont support Saddam but this war brought nothing but misery, the U.S. only invaded Iraq because of the oil, dont believe in the liberation crap your government tells you, because you have other arabic/african/asian leaders who are horrible like Saddam but they support the U.S., so they're safe. When Saddam started to realize how much the U.S. was using him, he couldn't do anything but stand against them, because it was his only choice.
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Old 01-18-2010, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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........ dont believe in the liberation crap your government tells you..........
when you quit believing the religious crap you are being told, you can then tell us about the liberation crap you think you know about.
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:11 PM
 
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Don't be ridiculous. They've been fighting for more than a thousand years. But then again I suppose the only thing they understand and appreciate is a dictator that kills anyone who steps out of line. Not only do they like someone who kills the guilty party they like someone who kills everyone in the town that the guilty party lives in.

I find it amazing that Muslims refuse to accept responsibility for their actions. They shoot rockets and then are surprised when they get their butts kicked. They send suicide bombers into a country and then are surprised when people close their borders to them. And they excuse their actions by saying it is someone else s fault when they kill each other for a thousand years.......absolutely amazing.
Iraq is a hard country to govern anyways, Saddam was brutal but he was the only person who could stabilize the country.

Sometimes when you oppress someone for 60 years, the oppressed would act hostile towards the oppressor until he gets his freedom. For example the Natives in the U.S. have rights, they get treated as 1st class citizens, they feel welcomed in the country, they have the right to challenge anything that insults their culture, etc. The Natives used to defend themselves, until the government started protecting them, the negative hates diminished.

On the other hand the Palestinians are still getting oppressed, things are improving a bit better because Obama is pressuring Israel a lot, and eventually if the Israeli government respects these civilians, the Hamas organization would lose a lot of support like how the insurgents did in Iraq.
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:12 PM
 
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when you quit believing the religious crap you are being told, you can then tell us about the liberation crap you think you know about.
Im not being told religious crap, because i don't live in the middle east and i know how the middle eastern and western society works. I understand them from both point of views.
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Call for Palestinians to investigate Gaza 'crimes'
Palestinian militants are accused of attacking Israeli civilians, as well as torturing and executing suspected Palestinian informers.

BBC News - Call for Palestinians to investigate Gaza 'crimes'
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Old 01-19-2010, 06:03 PM
 
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Call for Palestinians to investigate Gaza 'crimes'
Palestinian militants are accused of attacking Israeli civilians, as well as torturing and executing suspected Palestinian informers.

BBC News - Call for Palestinians to investigate Gaza 'crimes'
As long as Israel does not give the Palestinians the help they need, then groups like Hamas would be supported by the vast majority of people, but if Israel was smart then Hamas would fall down like how Al-Qaeda did in Iraq.
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Old 01-20-2010, 12:17 AM
 
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blind follower if islam, since the christian god has helped his children rule the world over you. all your god has given you is barren land and sand. does this not prove that alla is not as strong as christ?
it would seem that all you can do is hope that once you die you will get 40 virgins. will they be male or female? and will the woman also get her 40 studs to please her?
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Old 01-20-2010, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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the war between sunnis and shias started after the U.S. invasion in Iraq, the other countries don't really have any wars. Christians in Iraq lived peacfuly before the invasion, but now their life is a living hell. The one in Yemen is between the government and a tribe but not a civil war bettween the locals and it have been stopped.

Again, civil wars emerge when countries like the U.S. invades them without a justifiable reason.
The Sunnis have been killing the Shias for years. Check out Pakistan. Check out Afghanistan. Check out Iraq. The Ba'ath Party (Sadam's guys) were murdering Shiites left and right. The Wahabis believe Shias are barely human.

Have you ever witnessed how Shiites are treated in Mecca and Medina while on Haj? They are treated badly....particularly when they weep at Ali's tomb. All of that makes me wonder how the Ismailis are treated. Are they even allowed in?
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:41 AM
 
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Well I dont really give a stuff what muslims do in muslim countries. If muslims want to have shiarah law in their own countries then I have no problem with it. However I dont think the US should go there in a war in the middle east to overthrow dictators, or in order to enforce our way of life or system of government there. Anyway the US has its fair share of problems to deal with in its own country, than trying to be worlds policeman.
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