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Old 01-03-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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Israel had nothing to do with it . . . the land was under British control and it was transferred to Israel. There are many "lands" that are no longer under the control of their original residents. The entire history of human conflict (wars) has been about such alternating possessions of land. The Arabs had their chance to drive the Israelis from the land . . . but they were too slow (Israel saw them coming and pre-empted the attack) and too ineffective as fighters to accomplish it. They tried again and lost more land in the attempt. It is a fait accompli . . . Israel exists and nothing is likely to change that reality. Get over it and get on with your lives.
Israel has nothing to do with kicking out 750,000 people from their houses, massacring Palestenians on their villages, demolish their houses, build their houses illegaly on the west bank.
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:40 AM
 
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Moderator cut: edit again, you do not speak the truth nor do you have credibility.........

The fact is that today's Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations. The history and origins of today's Palestinians is recorded as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, Muslim Sherkas from Russia, Muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door. The civil and tribal wars between Yemmenites (from Yemen) and Kessites (from Banu Kais of Saudi Arabia) ... are well known among Palestinians.....if you were interested in the truth and you are indeed familiar with Palestine you would not keep repeating lies so you can justify the murder of women and children in marketplaces with suicide and car bombers.

A Palestinian Arab named Walid said “his village of Beit Sahur (The Shepherds Fields) in Bethlehem County was empty before his father settled in the area with six other families.” Answering Islam, A Christian-Muslim Dialog and Apologetic Although the Arabs of Ottoman Palestine may have had certain attachments to the fields they were cultivating they were also destroying the land. because of the wars between the few villages in the area too often they would cut down fruit trees and olives and destroyed the crops of other villages, and this in the end caused as much loss of life through hunger as was caused by the actual casualties of fighting. In spite of the immense fertility of the soil, it is probable that in the first half of the nineteenth century the population sank to the lowest level it had ever known in historic times.

Eyewitnesses such as Mark Twain and Rev. Manning of England who visited the Holy Land in the last century wrote that the land was barren and empty. The population then was less than 5% of today's population.

In fact Joan Peters in her book "From Time Immemorial" says that the return of the Jews in 1800's and early 1900's created jobs and Arabs from impoverished areas were drawn into the Holy Land for work. Peters also says that in 1948 so many Arabs were new to the area and could not qualify for the UN requirement for refugee status (people forced to leave "permanent" or "habitual" homes) that they added a clause permitting refugee status for Arabs who had been there as little as two years.

So don’t tell me your crap about the Palestinian homeland. If they want to go to their homeland tell them to go back to Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Jordan. If you knew the truth about “your people” you would know better than to promulgate lies.
Goodpasture, i have a friend who's a Palestinian, 3 years ago he went to palestine for a visit, but when he tried to comeback Israel did not allow him to do so, and now instead of getting educated, he's still trying to find a way to comeback. This happend in Gaza too, this thing happens to a lot of Palestenians too.

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Old 01-03-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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Goodpasture, i have a friend who's a Palestinian, 3 years ago he went to palestine for a visit, but when he tried to comeback Israel did not allow him to do so, and now instead of getting educated, he's still trying to find a way to comeback. This happend in Gaza too, this thing happens to a lot of Palestenians too.
And your point is?

If I were Israeli why would I allow anyone into my country that might detonate a bomb in the market place? It isn't Swedes that do it. It isn't Americans that do it. It isn't the French or Germans or Turks. It is the Palestinians. If Palestinians want to be accepted and respected they are going to have to behave in an acceptable and respectful manner. So long as they elect terrorists and criminals to office, encourage their children to blow themselves up while murdering innocents, they will be considered the scum of the world, not to be trusted and not to be respected.
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:58 AM
 
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And your point is?

If I were Israeli why would I allow anyone into my country that might detonate a bomb in the market place? It isn't Swedes that do it. It isn't Americans that do it. It isn't the French or Germans or Turks. It is the Palestinians. If Palestinians want to be accepted and respected they are going to have to behave in an acceptable and respectful manner. So long as they elect terrorists and criminals to office, encourage their children to blow themselves up while murdering innocents, they will be considered the scum of the world, not to be trusted and not to be respected.
This guy wanted to leave Palestine to go UAE, and he didn't want to go to Israel.
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:11 AM
 
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Again, this surprises you?

How about Israel let all Palestinians visit Yemen? Lets let them travel about as they please........

I don't think so. And until Muslims act responsible and quit electing terrorists and criminals and harboring terrorists and criminals, they will simply have to suffer the consequences of being outcasts on the world stage.
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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Again, this surprises you?

How about Israel let all Palestinians visit Yemen? Lets let them travel about as they please........

I don't think so. And until Muslims act responsible and quit electing terrorists and criminals and harboring terrorists and criminals, they will simply have to suffer the consequences of being outcasts on the world stage.
For example, how would you feel if the U.S. government labeled native american political groups as terrorists, and the whites degraded your people, just because they're diffrent, how would you feel? Wouldn't this only develop more hate towards whites?

If Israel treated these people nicely and gave them rights, the situation would improve, because right now we're talking about a land that was taken illegaly, if someone took your land by force how would you feel? If arabs today came to the U.S. and started kicking Americans out of their houses, how would you guys feel? It would certainly not feel good.
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:57 AM
 
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Israel has nothing to do with kicking out 750,000 people from their houses, massacring Palestenians on their villages, demolish their houses, build their houses illegaly on the west bank.
Israel is not pure . . . no one in war is pure. As long as the Palestinians and Arabs are in a state of war with Israel using civilians as terrorist infiltrators and human bombs to blow up innocent civilians they cannot expect to be trusted or treated kindly. The losers in war are never happy with the results . . . but if they opt to perpetuate the war . . . they cannot expect it to be pleasant.
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:38 AM
 
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Israel is not pure . . . no one in war is pure. As long as the Palestinians and Arabs are in a state of war with Israel using civilians as terrorist infiltrators and human bombs to blow up innocent civilians they cannot expect to be trusted or treated kindly. The losers in war are never happy with the results . . . but if they opt to perpetuate the war . . . they cannot expect it to be pleasant.
I know thats why at least 20 Palestinian families told Bostrom that they suspected that the Israeli military had taken the organs of their sons after they had been killed by Israeli forces and their bodies were taken away. Also 1,400 Palestinians died in only 2 weeks while 13 Israelis died.
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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For example, how would you feel if the U.S. government labeled native american political groups as terrorists, and the whites degraded your people, just because they're diffrent, how would you feel? Wouldn't this only develop more hate towards whites?
Nope, they did and I didn't. Not saying some didn't years ago, but my family has served in the armed services in every war since the war for independence.....as a decendent of Nancy Ward, women in my family can be members of the daughters of the revolution. Daughters of the American Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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.......If arabs today came to the U.S. and started kicking Americans out of their houses, how would you guys feel?
As opposed to hijacking airliners and blowing up buildings and murdering innocent people? About the same I feel now..........come on over, we will give you the same reception the Northern Cheyenne and the Lakota gave Custer.............
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:01 PM
 
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.........Also 1,400 Palestinians died in only 2 weeks while 13 Israelis died.
So don't pick a fight you won't win...........
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