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Old 01-15-2010, 02:05 AM
 
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I'd be inclined to respect Islam more rather than less if they just cheerfully put their hands up to

Islam based on war

Islam spread by war

9/11 done by Muslims

rather than trying to deny it.

as Christianity should admit

Church based on 3rd c. politics

Crusades reprehensible

Pogroms based in Christianity
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Old 01-15-2010, 05:02 AM
 
Location: PA
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Why do we not tell the truth Why do we hide the truth ?...

Only until the American people to know

**Muslims Did Not Do 9/11 Zakir Naik Giving Facts!!**


http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3133.htm



Why was abolished Videos?

look why is this ? http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35416
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The fact is there were Muslim who flew those planes into the World Trade Center Buildings.

Were these men paid off? Did they get to attack America and become martyrs for the faith? Did their families get paid money for their deaths? I agree that a small group of Muslims would have been smart enough to pull it off.

I don't think that George Bush was smart enough to pull it off.

But if we look at the Money, Lary Silverstein leased the buildings for 3.2 bn. He made 4.55 bn from the insurance companies after the attacks. He was sure to make the insurance cover 3.55 bn for each terrorist attack on the buildings, which he fought for hoping to get 7.1 bn. Of course he did not get all that he wanted from the insurance companies. However, no one has come up with the additional 2 bn in gold that was located in the buildings. Is anyone searching for it now? I think not, because they all know it was removed before the attacks, but by whom?

There must have been some kind of government involvement, to what extent? We will never know, but Mayor Gialiani was not in his bunker in #7 building which is where he should have been. Did he know that that those WTC buildings were coming down or #7 building was suddenly going to come down too? Convenient that all the Enron documents held up in that building were distroyed too.

We know that jet fuel does not melt or weaken steel or there would be a recall on every kerosine heater in America (Jet fuel is basically kerosine with some additives). So, there was something else.

Unfortunately with the "Shock and Awe" of the World Trade Center collapse and the mess it left, we will never know for sure. It will fall into the category of questionable events like the death J.F.K, Marylin Monroe, or Elvis.
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Old 01-15-2010, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Mayor Gialiani was not in his bunker in #7 building which is where he should have been. Did he know that that those WTC buildings were coming down or #7 building was suddenly going to come down too?
And how convenient for you that he wasn't! Do you expect big-city mayors to be hanging around in bunkers all day long? The residence of the Mayor of the City of New York is Gracie Mansion, located on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. It is not a bunker in an office tower.

Now, with your kind permission, we can get back to the regularly scheduled thread...
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Old 01-15-2010, 08:18 AM
 
Location: PA
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And how convenient for you that he wasn't! Do you expect big-city mayors to be hanging around in bunkers all day long? The residence of the Mayor of the City of New York is Gracie Mansion, located on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. It is not a bunker in an office tower.

Now, with your kind permission, we can get back to the regularly scheduled thread...
My post was based on the thread! I just mentioned the then Mayor of New York who happened to not be in his bunker when he was in a crissis during working hours. I was alluding to some government involvement and possibly his involvement, since it appears that he knew the #7 building was coming down.

If it happened at night, I would expect him with high probability to be at home in bed, not in his bunker.
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Old 01-15-2010, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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This event has been documented in every detail. Obama bin Ladin bragged about it and claimed credit. People on the aircraft with cell phones made calls in which they described the hijackers and what they had done. The voices of the hijackers were recorded in the cockpits of the aircraft and we have videos of them going through security. There is just a mountain of evidence from a wide variety of independent sources including those from other nations where the hijackers organized their plot. It's just ridiculous to even suggest that this is a topic worthy of serious discussion. We know exactly what happened.
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:17 AM
 
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Unfortunately with the "Shock and Awe" of the World Trade Center collapse and the mess it left, we will never know for sure. It will fall into the category of questionable events like the death J.F.K, Marylin Monroe, or Elvis.

No, I'm pretty sure we know the outcomes and answers to those events.

A president was shot by a nutcase.

Both Marylin and Elvis killed themselves.

Some religious fanatic Muslims crashed a plane into a building.

Occam's Razor.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:00 PM
 
Location: PA
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No, I'm pretty sure we know the outcomes and answers to those events.

A president was shot by a nutcase.

Both Marylin and Elvis killed themselves.

Some religious fanatic Muslims crashed a plane into a building.

Occam's Razor.
Except for the fact that neither the impact of the plane (low inertial mass), nor the heat of the burning fuel (kerosine) should have had the effect on the buildings that they did.

I have never denied that there were planes, and that the planes were flown by Muslims.
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Old 01-15-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Except for the fact that neither the impact of the plane (low inertial mass), nor the heat of the burning fuel (kerosine) should have had the effect on the buildings that they did.

I have never denied that there were planes, and that the planes were flown by Muslims.
You gotta stay off those whacky "truther" sites...As for your comments on the fuel and inertia, you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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Old 01-15-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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Except for the fact that neither the impact of the plane (low inertial mass), nor the heat of the burning fuel (kerosine) should have had the effect on the buildings that they did.
I agree that the impact of the plane itself would not cause the structure to collapse but after this event there was a great deal of study regarding the affect of the burning fuel which was documented and there have been at least one documentary on television which I watched that described exactly how this happened. Many skyscrapers have been constructed with steel beams that are covered with a coating of a material that is a fire retardant but it's not sufficient to stop the effects of a fire of this magnitude. The beams didn't actually melt but they became pliable and were unable to support the massive weight of the many floors above them. I was also shocked when the buildings collapsed and didn't think it could happen but investigators were able to retrieve steel from the debris where the failure had occurred and examine it closely. The new building that's being constructed now will be much stronger because of what was learned from the collapse of the original towers.
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Old 01-15-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Perhaps the OP has a point. After all, the names of the alleged hijackers are as follows:

Khalid Almihdhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaf Alhazmi, Salem Alhazmi, Hani Hanjour, Satam M.A. Al Suqami, Waleed M. Alshehri, Wail M. Alshehri, Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz Alomari, Marwan Al-Shehhi, Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad, Ahmed Alghamdi, Hamza Alghamdi, Mohand Alshehri, Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi, Ahmed Alnami, Ziad Samir Jarrah

Now, I would hate to come across as a profiler, or worse, someone who would stoop so low by stereotyping someone by their name, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that their names alone would probably give us a good idea as to what their religious beliefs were.

If my misguided assumptions in that arena are somewhat lacking in their conviction, perhaps the nationalities of where they were from might give us a clue. Considering that most of them were Saudi nationals, I think it would be fair to say that given their names and the country(ies) they came from, their chances of being Muslim are increased by several orders of magnitude.

If that is not enough to place a fair assumption on their religion, perhaps some of the cockpit voice recordings prior to crashing the airplanes would give us a clue as to what religion they were. Perhaps the words "Allah Hu Akbar" sounding out in the cockpit just prior to crashing would lead us to believe they were Muslim.

And, if that assumption is wrong, the fact that each one of them had or has been linked to terrorist training camps funded by Al-Qaeda, an extremist Muslim terrorist organization, might give us a clue as to what religion they were.

Of course, we shouldn't make any assumptions to hurt the feelings of Muslims around the world who have prostrated themselves at the foot of Allah for the greater glory of humanity. I would hate to make a false assumption or, worse, draw a cartoon of the fetid child molesting Muhammad and anger the Muslim world.

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