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Old 02-23-2010, 10:00 AM
 
Location: egypt
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Then instead of getting defensive, why not correct your grossly misinformed peer?
i have no problem if i found myself wrong in my knowledge , actually i feel happy to correct my wrong knowledge , and i have no problem to confess that i was wrong with something .
anyway , it wasn't my argument at all
i just like this guy (coosjoaquin ) and i respect him much , and his words hurts me , so that i wanted for him to know

i will not give interrest for everyone insulting my relegion , it will be just for whom i feel honest and intellectual and rational and kindness in their arguments

 
Old 02-23-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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i have no problem if i found myself wrong in my knowledge , actually i feel happy to correct my wrong knowledge , and i have no problem to confess that i was wrong with something .
anyway , it wasn't my argument at all
i just like this guy (coosjoaquin ) and i respect him much , and his words hurts me , so that i wanted for him to know

i will not give interrest for everyone insulting my relegion , it will be just for whom i feel honest and intellectual and rational and kindness in their arguments

You misunderstand. Moonsun posted medical information that is wrong. cosjoaquin pointed out how ignorant and outdated the information is and condemned Islam for teaching it (since Islamic sources were cited).

Instead of questioning why cosjoaquin called your religion stupid, why not correct moonsun of his errors? That way you can prove it is only Moonsun that is wrong and not the teachings of Islam?

Unless, of course, those *are* the teachings of Islam, it *is* outdated and ignorant, and you can't correct him, thus proving cosjoaquin's point.
 
Old 02-23-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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You misunderstand. Moonsun posted medical information that is wrong. cosjoaquin pointed out how ignorant and outdated the information is and condemned Islam for teaching it (since Islamic sources were cited).
oh , i got it , i didn't recognise the existence of these links


so what these links says ? it says that one of the major causes of the serious diseases which have become widespread such as AIDS etc., is women having intercourse with more than one man, and the mixing of seminal fluids in the woman’s womb causes these lethal diseases.

is this information scntifically wrong ? does intercoursing of women with more than one man have nothing to do with spread of diseases ?
where is the wrong informations here ? offcourse it's one of reasons which helpes in spread of diseases
 
Old 02-23-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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i always hears such offenses against my relegion , but it hurted me when i heared it from you specifically , coosjoaquin

i hope you will watch-out your words in the second time

peace
Why? The implication that men don't spread STD's is insulting and idiotic. I think spreading this information is deceitful and I find that using semantics to put women in a bad light is misleading.

Please google HIV. What it is and how it spreads are actually well understood. Saying that it's semen mixed in the uterus is just a lie.
 
Old 02-23-2010, 01:51 PM
 
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Why? The implication that men don't spread STD's is insulting and idiotic. I think spreading this information is deceitful and I find that using semantics to put women in a bad light is misleading.

Please google HIV. What it is and how it spreads are actually well understood. Saying that it's semen mixed in the uterus is just a lie.

quote for me what islam said which you found it contradict with science
 
Old 02-23-2010, 02:12 PM
 
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quote for me what islam said which you found it contradict with science
This one for starters:
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the mixing of seminal fluids in the woman’s womb causes these lethal diseases
 
Old 02-23-2010, 02:37 PM
 
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so what these links says ? it says that one of the major causes of the serious diseases which have become widespread such as AIDS etc., is women having intercourse with more than one man, and the mixing of seminal fluids in the woman’s womb causes these lethal diseases.
The link is blatantly wrong.

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is this information scntifically wrong ?
YES.

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does intercoursing of women with more than one man have nothing to do with spread of diseases ?
where is the wrong informations here ? offcourse it's one of reasons which helpes in spread of diseases
Your religion is breeding ignorance of a profound nature, and as a follower, you would do well to educate yourself in SPITE of the propaganda, for it is only serving to keep its followers ignorant and full of hate for women.

I work in healthcare, and American hospitals are filled with patients of all faiths, including Islam. Pathophysiology follows nature's dictates, not Islam's nor Christianity's. The assertions found in those links is preposterous and thoroughly incorrect.

[EDIT: Another thing for you to consider is that there are scores of Muslim physicians practicing in America and other Western countries who emphatically do NOT believe the garbage passing as medical information in those links. They've managed to think beyond Islam, and I applaud them.]

Furthermore, I find both Islam's and Christianity's utter disdain for women (and the fundamentalists' rejection of science) more than enough reason to shun both.

Women are not dogs, swine, nor anything less than men, and the numerous passages in the bible and quran that equate women as such ('unclean', etc.) are insulting, degrading, and obviously appeal only to extremely weak-minded men.

And I say this: for any man to view his wife as inherently evil, dirty, or lesser than he, no true love can ever exist.

/rant

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Old 02-23-2010, 11:55 PM
 
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Your religion is breeding ignorance of a profound nature, and as a follower, you would do well to educate yourself in SPITE of the propaganda, for it is only serving to keep its followers ignorant and full of hate for women.


the only comment i should saying to you is to follow your own advice above , and not talking about other relegions without real knowledge about it

peace
 
Old 02-24-2010, 12:00 AM
 
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the only comment i should saying to you is to follow your own advice above , and not talking about other relegions without real knowledge about it

peace
I have real knowledge about your religion . . . and I agree with rayneinspain.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 02:18 AM
 
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well done
Why are you being willfully ignorant, why avoid using your own common sense? When a woman without STD's has 5 male partners without STD's then no one gets an STD.

If, on the other hand, an infected male has 5 female partners, then everyone gets sick.

Saying that "it's been medically proven" that men don't spread std's or that diseases are spontaneously created in the uterus is a big lie. Why are you desperate to spread this?


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i will quote from it what it supports islam ( by the way the site isn't islamic nor relegious in any kind )
Liar, Oneflesh.org main titles describes itself as:
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A Non-Profit Center for the Investigation and Implementation of God's Healing Gifts
Furthermore, most of the chapters on the website use biblical passages to justify what they promote(something that btw does not equate to science, whatever your claims may be).

Seeing this just makes me have a lower view of Islam. It's no longer just a misogynistic and idiotic belief system but one built upon layers of lies and half truths.
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