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Old 03-27-2010, 11:01 AM
 
Location: East Cleveland
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ph and if anybody else doubts the occupation of palestine in here i just picked up a book by ex-president jimmy carter, called "palestine peace not apartheid"..its a very unbiased well rounded look at the situation in the middle east, from the perspective of a white christian man from america....


even he knows israel doesnt want peace...they want to push the arabs right into the medditeranean.....
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Old 03-27-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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so what europeans are alwasy right...what about the other 5 billion people in the world who believe other wize...oh i forgot they're third world countries.......
There were no Third World countries until modern times. The people of Europe, whom Allah allegedly loved, permitted those people to live and die for about eight hundred years in the belief that Allah's one and only Son had himself died on the cross, when Allah knew perfectly well that he had not died. Instead, he waited around for 600 years, and then sent just one angel to earth, not to Europe where this massive falsehood had spread, but to just one obscure and not very convincing person in Arabia. Then the angel carefully dictated the real story to him over 23 years in Arabic, a language that very few people in Europe knew even one word of. Then the laboriously copied dictation was promptly lost, and had to be cobbled together from memory! And nobody even knows if what was put together was what the angel had said. What sort of a deity is that well organised?

And how did the Europeans eventually get to learn about their awful mistake? They got to know when bands of men turned up on their doorstep intending to persuade them, not with books, but with scimitars. And after that, with punitive laws.

So, just whose sort of deity is this Allah? Who, honestly, can believe a word of this tale?
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Dubai
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Just mentioning their names does not mean that you agree with what they said. I'm still waiting to read what it was that Prophet Adam said or wrote that Muslims value.

>>>> who told you
we as Muslims believe them
strongly... all of them
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:33 AM
 
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>>>> who told you
we as Muslims believe them
strongly... all of them
What did Prophet Adam say that Islam finds valuable?
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Dubai
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There were no Third World countries until modern times. The people of Europe, whom Allah allegedly loved, permitted those people to live and die for about eight hundred years in the belief that Allah's one and only Son had himself died on the cross, when Allah knew perfectly well that he had not died. Instead, he waited around for 600 years, and then sent just one angel to earth, not to Europe where this massive falsehood had spread, but to just one obscure and not very convincing person in Arabia. Then the angel carefully dictated the real story to him over 23 years in Arabic, a language that very few people in Europe knew even one word of. Then the laboriously copied dictation was promptly lost, and had to be cobbled together from memory! And nobody even knows if what was put together was what the angel had said. What sort of a deity is that well organised?

And how did the Europeans eventually get to learn about their awful mistake? They got to know when bands of men turned up on their doorstep intending to persuade them, not with books, but with scimitars. And after that, with punitive laws.

So, just whose sort of deity is this Allah? Who, honestly, can believe a word of this tale?

>>>>>>>>>>

We Muslims believe that Jesus did not die, but lifting of the sky when he saw a Jew
And in turn, told his people of the place of Jesus peace be upon him to kill him ...
Making God a person who told
Folk of the place of Jesus as a prophet Jesus Jews rushed him and killed him and crucified him ...
And prayed
.....
And the most important thing to tell you we love our Lord Jesus, peace be upon him such as what we like Mohammed and there is no difference Between them...
Thank you
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:40 AM
 
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>>>>>>>>>>

We Muslims believe that Jesus did not die

That would be far easier for people to accept if Muslims would answer questions.
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:20 AM
 
Location: East Cleveland
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There were no Third World countries until modern times. The people of Europe, whom Allah allegedly loved, permitted those people to live and die for about eight hundred years in the belief that Allah's one and only Son had himself died on the cross, when Allah knew perfectly well that he had not died. Instead, he waited around for 600 years, and then sent just one angel to earth, not to Europe where this massive falsehood had spread, but to just one obscure and not very convincing person in Arabia. Then the angel carefully dictated the real story to him over 23 years in Arabic, a language that very few people in Europe knew even one word of. Then the laboriously copied dictation was promptly lost, and had to be cobbled together from memory! And nobody even knows if what was put together was what the angel had said. What sort of a deity is that well organised?

And how did the Europeans eventually get to learn about their awful mistake? They got to know when bands of men turned up on their doorstep intending to persuade them, not with books, but with scimitars. And after that, with punitive laws.

So, just whose sort of deity is this Allah? Who, honestly, can believe a word of this tale?
i have no idea whats the relavance of this post..there was already a prophet sent to the ancestors of the europeans..the arabs were the last to recieve the message....notice how hebrew and arabic are almost the same language....none of the scriptures were ever created in a european language, they're not holy languages, hebrew, aramaic,arabic are......the greeks were the first europeans to recieve the torah...they choose on their own accord not to uphold the teachings....allah did not wrong them, they wronged themselves....and again with the gospels, when the romans seen the era of their ways, yet many of them still went back into disbelief...by the time the prophet came, all of europe had acess to the torah, and the gospels...but many perverted scriptures, and broke covenants for they're own self gains and vain desires....
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:33 PM
 
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muhhamed(pbuh) wasnt far away...he's from the same land that moses(pbuh) led the israelites to an exodus..what land is on the other side of the red sea from egypt/sudan...arabia...abraham was from sumeria, which is modern day Iraq, moses was from egypt, and jesus was born in judea, modern day palestine, so im not understanding what you mean about some "far off land" its all the same geographical area..the modern day middle east...

if you wanna explain something, explain to me, how the european jews from germany, russia, austria, poland, trace their lineage to and area of the world where none of them decendants came from..how can european jews trace their decendancy to the hebrews when the euro jews of today mainly decend from the caucusus...hitler was the same european blood as the the jews he persucuted, although he was to dumb to realize it...

or explain to me where in the bible does yahweh make lawful for the jews any scritpure other than the torah, yet they modern day jews follow the babylonian talmuud...

and if you have a chance, take a look at the talmuud and see their beliefs and practices for yourself..

and how come, the arab muslims, never seemed to have a big problem with the neighboring arabian jews of yemen, and egypt, and the jews of ethiopia, all who are strict torah followers...and how come these oriental jews (arabian,and ethiopean) jews must reconvert to judaism, and practice talmuudic judaism, even though the torah has given no such instruction.even during the time of muhhamed (pbuh) muslims and jews coexisted peacefully for the most part, minus the few jewidh tribes, that sided with the arab pagans...


how come arabs are called "anti-semitic" yet "arabic" is the only true "semitic" language spoken today, the jews speak hebrew, for prayer and rituals, but there is no country in the world that speaks hebrew as a native toungue....

how come the semitic language family tree is based around the middle east and horn of africa, yet the majority, of the modern jews arent even from this regoin in the world...

and how come christians act like their religion hasnt been envolved in the majority of the worlds genocidal campaigns, in the name of crusading....IE


the transatlantic slave trade, where millions of my decendants were enslaved and brought to america, stripped of are religious, cultural,and paternal rights. in the name of christinzing thr "savages" aka africans..

what happen to the incan, and mayan, and aztec, all victims of christian crusade..

what about the native americans,

what was the underlying factor in hitlers haneous treatment of the europeans jews, how about the fact tha hitler believed in a pure aryan christian blooded, germany and east europe..

and who expelled the jews out of palestine on the first place, the same people who along with the help of the jews put jesus(pbuh) to death..

later the romans adopted the religion of christianity, and feeling like the jews were at fault for jesus death exiled them..

the followers of all the largest religions including hiduism, have atricites under their belt...its not the religion that conveys the wrong message..its the followers who choose not to adhere to the actual context of scripture...

You are decieved and nothing will change this . But to destroy anciant history like your doing and blame on others what islam did to others should not be ignored .

You enslaved the black Africans and enforced your religian on them . The crusaders who ended up as evil s some of the muslims were fromed because of muslims invasions of europe .

Does your koran calls them monkeys and arabs never marry blacks . Are you not allowed to lie to the infidels for the sake of Allah ? Does Sura tell you to befriend the indidel then slit his throat behind the rocks or whereever you find him ?

Correct this for me, because I read it in your koran a few years ago .
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:22 AM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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You are decieved and nothing will change this . But to destroy anciant history like your doing and blame on others what islam did to others should not be ignored .

You enslaved the black Africans and enforced your religian on them . The crusaders who ended up as evil s some of the muslims were fromed because of muslims invasions of europe .

Does your koran calls them monkeys and arabs never marry blacks . Are you not allowed to lie to the infidels for the sake of Allah ? Does Sura tell you to befriend the indidel then slit his throat behind the rocks or whereever you find him ?

Correct this for me, because I read it in your koran a few years ago .
The typical response I get from this is either:
A: You are ignorant.
When asked to point precisely at what part of Islam I am apparently ignorant, the discussion always shifts towards B, and C
B: Those are commandments for times of war.
When asked to point out the verse in the quran that tells them that, the argument shifts towards C.
C: You need to read the quran in Arab.
When asked would I learn more then the dozen respected Muslim scholars who translated the quran, the discussion ends.
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:07 AM
 
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You are decieved and nothing will change this . But to destroy anciant history like your doing and blame on others what islam did to others should not be ignored .

i will appreciate if you show us how was he decieved , if you have objections about what he said then correct it
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