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Old 03-29-2010, 09:12 PM
 
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What they say about Jews were in Palestine from the start; this is an obvious lie.

So I ask them: when the Children of Israel came from Egypt to Sinai under the leadership of Moses, who then were inhabiting Palestine the holy land? and whom did Josue fight after the end of their bewildering in the desert? Was the land of Palestine empty of any people there?

Moreover, when they have come now from every country of the earth and gathered in Palestine: was there any people in this land or was the land of Palestine without people?
Tell us, oh great and knowledgeable one: was the world's population the same back then as it is now? Or was there a time when there was also no official Palestine, and no-one lived out on that inhospitable desert? When even the Arabs weren't there in any number? When for instance, humans were simply a tribe of ape-like hominids out on the African veldt?

So when, exactly, did your "existing population" of Muslims or Arabs arrive? Given that the Prophet Mohammed post-dated Jesus and all.... (means he lived AFTER Jesus' time...).

I'm confused by your claims. Teach me.
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Old 03-30-2010, 01:36 PM
 
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Tell us, oh great and knowledgeable one: was the world's population the same back then as it is now? Or was there a time when there was also no official Palestine, and no-one lived out on that inhospitable desert? When even the Arabs weren't there in any number? When for instance, humans were simply a tribe of ape-like hominids out on the African veldt?

So when, exactly, did your "existing population" of Muslims or Arabs arrive? Given that the Prophet Mohammed post-dated Jesus and all.... (means he lived AFTER Jesus' time...).

I'm confused by your claims. Teach me.
How can I teach you while you bear your rifle and you are the knowledgeable one

Anyhow, this is your fallacy.

Because according to your claim: there was only Adam and Eve; so all the region was desert: not so ... not so.

Palestine was never any desert; it was crowded with the tribes of the Amalecites, Adomites and the Amorrhite and so and so: much many of the tribes and populations; and Palestine was fertile, before the coming of the Children of Israel under the leadership of Moses then Josue.

And when Moses sent 12 spies to spy out the land of Jericho, the spies saw it productive of much milk and honey but they were afraid of its peoples with giant bodies.

And that was before Mohammed and before Jesus of course.
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Old 03-30-2010, 07:37 PM
 
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How can I teach you while you bear your rifle and you are the knowledgeable one

Anyhow, this is your fallacy.

Because according to your claim: there was only Adam and Eve; so all the region was desert: not so ... not so.

Palestine was never any desert; it was crowded with the tribes of the Amalecites, Adomites and the Amorrhite and so and so: much many of the tribes and populations; and Palestine was fertile, before the coming of the Children of Israel under the leadership of Moses then Josue.

And when Moses sent 12 spies to spy out the land of Jericho, the spies saw it productive of much milk and honey but they were afraid of its peoples with giant bodies.

And that was before Mohammed and before Jesus of course.

Hmmmmm who is asking for you to teach anyone???? And yes he is the knowledgeable one. You on the other hand are just spewing a bunch of Palestinian propaganda.
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Old 03-30-2010, 07:53 PM
 
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How can I teach you while you bear your rifle and you are the knowledgeable one

It's an American thing, you wouldn't understand.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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Muslims use rifles too ya know.


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Old 03-31-2010, 02:39 PM
 
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Hmmmmm who is asking for you to teach anyone???? And yes he is the knowledgeable one. You on the other hand are just spewing a bunch of Palestinian propaganda.

The freedom of choice:

Everybody is free to have choice; but his choice will decide his outcome in the afterlife:

>> So Jews - when they convert to the Islam - will not lose their belief in Moses:
but they will have the additional blessings and grace of believing in Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed, and will acquire the wisdom of the Quran in addition to their belief in the Ten Commandments.

>> Similarly, Christians - when they convert to the Islam - will not lose their belief in Moses and Jesus, but will add the blessings and grace of their additional belief in Mohammed and the Glorious Quran.

This is because the Quran confirms Moses and Jesus and the Torah and the Gospel revealed to them; and the Quran is the recent revelation from God Almighty and Most Gracious.

(O believers [in Mohammed and the Quran],

believe in God and His messenger [Jesus] and the scripture [: the Gospel] which He revealed to His messenger [Jesus],

and the scripture [: the Ten Commandments] which He had revealed [to Moses] aforetime.

Whoso disbelieves in God and His angels and His scriptures and [all] His messengers and the Last Day, has surely gone far, far astray.)

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 4: 136

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ آمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَالْكِتَابِ الَّذِي نَزَّلَ عَلَى رَسُولِهِ وَالْكِتَابِ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ مِن قَبْلُ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِاللّهِ وَمَلاَئِكَتِهِ وَكُتُبِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلاَلاً بَعِيدًا

The above aya was revealed because some Jews converted and became Muslims, and said:

"Mohammed, we believe in your message and religion because you invite people to God alone according to the First Commandment and you broke up all the idols; but we don't believe in Jesus: he was only an impostor and sorcerer"

Therefore the above aya was revealed and told them they had to believe in Jesus as had they to believe in Mohammed and to believe in the Gospel as should they have to believe in the Torah and the Quran.


Double rewarding for their belief in Jesus and Mohammed:

And then they would have double fold of their reward:
one fold for their belief in Jesus, and the other fold for their belief in Mohammed.

As in the aya 57: 28

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَآمِنُوا بِرَسُولِهِ يُؤْتِكُمْ كِفْلَيْنِ مِن رَّحْمَتِهِ وَيَجْعَل لَّكُمْ نُورًا تَمْشُونَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

The explanation:
(O believers [in Mohammed],

ward off God['s punishment, concerning your claim that Jesus was a sorcerer], and believe in His messenger [Jesus, the son of Mary]

and then [if you believe in Jesus in addition to your belief in Mohammed], [God] will give you two portions of His mercy [: in the world of souls, and on the Doomsday; that is your belief in both Jesus and Mohammed],

and appoint for you a light wherewith you walk among souls] and forgive you [your past sins];

for God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

Quran Interpretation
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Old 03-31-2010, 03:14 PM
 
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The freedom of choice:

Everybody is free to have choice; but his choice will decide his outcome in the afterlife:

>> So Jews - when they convert to the Islam - will not lose their belief in Moses:
but they will have the additional blessings and grace of believing in Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed, and will acquire the wisdom of the Quran in addition to their belief in the Ten Commandments.

>> Similarly, Christians - when they convert to the Islam - will not lose their belief in Moses and Jesus, but will add the blessings and grace of their additional belief in Mohammed and the Glorious Quran.

This is because the Quran confirms Moses and Jesus and the Torah and the Gospel revealed to them; and the Quran is the recent revelation from God Almighty and Most Gracious.

(O believers [in Mohammed and the Quran],

believe in God and His messenger [Jesus] and the scripture [: the Gospel] which He revealed to His messenger [Jesus],

and the scripture [: the Ten Commandments] which He had revealed [to Moses] aforetime.

Whoso disbelieves in God and His angels and His scriptures and [all] His messengers and the Last Day, has surely gone far, far astray.)

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 4: 136

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ آمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَالْكِتَابِ الَّذِي نَزَّلَ عَلَى رَسُولِهِ وَالْكِتَابِ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ مِن قَبْلُ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِاللّهِ وَمَلاَئِكَتِهِ وَكُتُبِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلاَلاً بَعِيدًا

The above aya was revealed because some Jews converted and became Muslims, and said:

"Mohammed, we believe in your message and religion because you invite people to God alone according to the First Commandment and you broke up all the idols; but we don't believe in Jesus: he was only an impostor and sorcerer"

Therefore the above aya was revealed and told them they had to believe in Jesus as had they to believe in Mohammed and to believe in the Gospel as should they have to believe in the Torah and the Quran.


Double rewarding for their belief in Jesus and Mohammed:

And then they would have double fold of their reward:
one fold for their belief in Jesus, and the other fold for their belief in Mohammed.

As in the aya 57: 28

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَآمِنُوا بِرَسُولِهِ يُؤْتِكُمْ كِفْلَيْنِ مِن رَّحْمَتِهِ وَيَجْعَل لَّكُمْ نُورًا تَمْشُونَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

The explanation:
(O believers [in Mohammed],

ward off God['s punishment, concerning your claim that Jesus was a sorcerer], and believe in His messenger [Jesus, the son of Mary]

and then [if you believe in Jesus in addition to your belief in Mohammed], [God] will give you two portions of His mercy [: in the world of souls, and on the Doomsday; that is your belief in both Jesus and Mohammed],

and appoint for you a light wherewith you walk among souls] and forgive you [your past sins];

for God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

Quran Interpretation

And you think I actually read all your cutting and pasting??? No, I don't because you really do not know what your are talking about except what you have been brainwashed to believe.

Its actually sad, but it becomes scary when I think of all the people in the middle east who have also been brainwashed to believe lies.
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Old 03-31-2010, 04:06 PM
 
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Why can't ya'll Jews and Muslims just share? It is a kindergarten concept. Sharing is caring.
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Old 03-31-2010, 04:31 PM
 
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Why can't ya'll Jews and Muslims just share? It is a kindergarten concept. Sharing is caring.
The next thing you know, someone will suggest that Christians share with Jews, or Christians share with Muslims. Then someone else will drag Hindus into the picture, and you can see what a frightening mess that'll result in.
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Old 03-31-2010, 04:33 PM
 
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The next thing you know, someone will suggest that Christians share with Jews, or Christians share with Muslims. Then someone else will drag Hindus into the picture, and you can see what a frightening mess that'll result in.
Ah yes the frightening mess of no war based on religion and peace....yikes! You're right! Scrap that.
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